Essex Police Interview, Brett Collins...

[guest7363]

Just had a look at Cartier watch prices. The first 20 watches that came up varied between £2,000 - £40,000.

Good grief, no wonder they were targeted by criminals.

[Adam]

Hello, Adam, yes, he mentioned that he purchased (it may be that he did not actually purchase these, but came about them by some other means) them whilst on his so called World tour. But then again, I can't be absolutely sure whether he only acquired one of these watches there, and the other in Amsterdam, sorry, its such a long time ago, I did keep records of everything we ever discusssed but until I come across those notes again, I cannot be entirely sure as to whether he obtained one, or two of the said watches at the same time, in the same part of the world...

Sorry..

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4575.msg188249.html#msg188249

Thank you Mike.

I just checked Susan Battersby's WS. It seems both watches were obtained while Jeremy was in Australia or New Zealand.

[mike tesko]

It must have been hard for Jeremy, knowing June was giving her money to the church. This could have carried on for another 20 years. This together with the twins being given a larger slice of her will, would have been very frustrating for him.

I have the following observation to invite anybody or everybody to consider...

Killing your entire family, or lets say three generations of the same extended family in order to lay your hands on the entire estates of your parents, or adoptive parents, or whatever, would require more planning than what is suggested that Jeremy is responsible for. Since, it would be necessary for the killer (in this case Jeremy) to kill the five victims in such a wwway that it becam obvious to the police which victim had died first, then next, and then next and next, and so on...

It would require the killer to stage the death scenes in such a way that the police could tell, he had been shot first, to last, in order to guide the inheritance into the killers hands - no such preparation appears to have been undertaken by whoever shot and killed four of the victims, other then the police staging Sheila's death scene on the main bedroom floor in possession of the gun after 9.13am, on 7th Auguist 1985...

[Caroline]

I think Lookout is referring to 'at the time' of the Brett Eric Collins interview, because post that era there are many examples where for whatever reason Jeremy has been far from loyal to some...

Exactly, I am sure you know how scathing he can be in respect to Colin. He isn't loyal - you have experience of that.Lookout paints him as someone far removed from the person I conversed with.

One point about the interview above (and thanks for posting by the way). If Brett heard part of the conversation where Julie talked about the police, he must have heard more.

[Adam]

Good grief, no wonder they were targeted by criminals.

I considered buying a Rolex Submariner a few years ago for £5,500p.  Liked the blue head however it is too small. Bought a good quality Tissot watch instead, which even complete strangers compliment me on.

I suspect Bamber targeted Cartier watches as he wanted both a man's & a woman's watch. I've never seen a female Rolex watch.

[Caroline]

What are you on about now ? I just asked a searching question and as usual I'm met with the usual hostility instead of a firm explanation.
However,I've come to expect this abruptness so I should be well used to it by now.

No Lookout, you asked a question then had to add on the usual 'he was such a lovely boy and can do no harm' extension. Like I said, the person you talk about is nothing like Jeremy Bamber.

[Caroline]

I have the following observation to invite anybody or everybody to consider...

Killing your entire family, or lets say three generations of the same extended family in order to lay your hands on the entire estates of your parents, or adoptive parents, or whatever, would require more planning than what is suggested that Jeremy is responsible for. Since, it would be necessary for the killer (in this case Jeremy) to kill the five victims in such a wwway that it becam obvious to the police which victim had died first, then next, and then next and next, and so on...

It would require the killer to stage the death scenes in such a way that the police could tell, he had been shot first, to last, in order to guide the inheritance into the killers hands - no such preparation appears to have been undertaken by whoever shot and killed four of the victims, other then the police staging Sheila's death scene on the main bedroom floor in possession of the gun after 9.13am, on 7th Auguist 1985...

Not if you didn't know it mattered. And in the end, it didn't matter, they just went by who was the oldest victim.

[guest7363]

I considered buying a Rolex Submariner a few years ago for £5,500p.  Liked the blue head however it is too small. Bought a good quality Tissot watch instead, which even complete strangers compliment me on.

I suspect Bamber targeted Cartier watches as he wanted both a man's & a woman's watch. I've never seen a female Rolex watch.

Well done Adam, I’m not a watch person myself, but the son in law is having a special edition Para watch made, Ive heard figures between £5000 to £8000, would that be right?  He’s in Iraq at moment so I will text him, he showed me photos just before he went back. I do love to see nice watches on men, but I always think I could spend my money on something else, thanks for sharing your knowledge of watched Adam.

[lookout]

Exactly, I am sure you know how scathing he can be in respect to Colin. He isn't loyal - you have experience of that.Lookout paints him as someone far removed from the person I conversed with.

One point about the interview above (and thanks for posting by the way). If Brett heard part of the conversation where Julie talked about the police, he must have heard more.

If you tried getting information out of JB the same way as your posts to myself then it's little wonder he was on the defensive. You'd get a Saint's back up.
Your abrupt manner is no way of gathering information from anyone. You should take lessons from those who know ! Not a " bull in a china shop" method.
You get far more out of someone by using the right attitude,even if it's alien to you.

[Jane]

I have the following observation to invite anybody or everybody to consider...

Killing your entire family, or lets say three generations of the same extended family in order to lay your hands on the entire estates of your parents, or adoptive parents, or whatever, would require more planning than what is suggested that Jeremy is responsible for. Since, it would be necessary for the killer (in this case Jeremy) to kill the five victims in such a wwway that it becam obvious to the police which victim had died first, then next, and then next and next, and so on...

It would require the killer to stage the death scenes in such a way that the police could tell, he had been shot first, to last, in order to guide the inheritance into the killers hands - no such preparation appears to have been undertaken by whoever shot and killed four of the victims, other then the police staging Sheila's death scene on the main bedroom floor in possession of the gun after 9.13am, on 7th Auguist 1985...

The "suggested" planning isn't necessarily the planning which was employed, the first seeds of which MAY have taken root when within a matter of weeks, Jeremy not only learned of his adoption but was sent -away- to a boarding school. Even if he'd known -and planned for- the deaths to take place in inheritance order, there was no guarantee -other than leaving TOD notes on the bodies!!!- that the exact order of TOD's would be arrived at.

[Jane]

If you tried getting information out of JB the same way as your posts to myself then it's little wonder he was on the defensive. You'd get a Saint's back up.
Your abrupt manner is no way of gathering information from anyone. You should take lessons from those who know ! Not a " bull in a china shop" method.
You get far more out of someone by using the right attitude,even if it's alien to you.

Yeah right. Yet again, according to Lookout, no one does it better than Lookout. Perhaps Lookout should try practicing what she preaches?

[lookout]

I speak to you sharply or " immaturely " as you put it because you come across as hostile so therefore I answer as I was spoken to, in the same way. It's NOT my way under normal conditions !

[Caroline]

If you tried getting information out of JB the same way as your posts to myself then it's little wonder he was on the defensive. You'd get a Saint's back up.
Your abrupt manner is no way of gathering information from anyone. You should take lessons from those who know ! Not a " bull in a china shop" method.
You get far more out of someone by using the right attitude,even if it's alien to you.

Maybe I'm just sick of the BS Lookout! When I wrote to Jeremy it wasn't because I thought he was a celebrity to be treated with kid gloves - I asked him about the case, why else would I want to write to him?

He told me a lot, a lot more than I have or will post here - but he didn't like difficult questions or being challenged. You keep telling the forum how you're this and you're that and what you do and don't do - well, I don't suffer fools and I'm not changing for you or anyone else.  If you wonder why you keep getting criticised, look to yourself and not to others!

[Caroline]

I considered buying a Rolex Submariner a few years ago for £5,500p.  Liked the blue head however it is too small. Bought a good quality Tissot watch instead, which even complete strangers compliment me on.

I suspect Bamber targeted Cartier watches as he wanted both a man's & a woman's watch. I've never seen a female Rolex watch.

https://www.rolex.com/watches/find-rolex/woman.html

[Caroline]

I speak to you sharply or " immaturely " as you put it because you come across as hostile so therefore I answer as I was spoken to, in the same way. It's NOT my way under normal conditions !

Nor is it mine but here, I speak as I find.