did nevile phone the police station from the office phone.

[Jane]

When Nevill rang the police,it would have been a 999 call and he also would have had to have waited until the coast was clear in which to do so,i.e. Sheila being out of earshot from whichever area in the farmhouse he'd used the phone.
In JB's case when he rang his father,he'd have been disorientated waking from sleeping,so by the time you've gathered yourself together to answer the phone,downstairs,you have to then get your head around the type of call it was given the time of the morning when sleep is at its deepest.
Allowances and thought have to be put into place under such circumstances.
Nobody that I know leaps out of bed at 3am fresh as a daisy.

'COURSE he'd have been 'disoriented', poor diddums. He was only 25. Too young to leave his mummy, wasn't he? We're talking about an adult who'd managed himself -AND his diverse petty crimes- all over the world. It seems he'd needed to be fly enough to evade detection. I have serious doubts that a phone call would have disturbed him. Julie CLEARLY got the gist of what he said when he phoned her at silly o'clock. SHE was only 20.

[sami]

Ive no doubt Sami, somewhere down the line, once it had gone quite, he would have bragged about the killings to big himself up to the drug world.

spot on justice.he lives in cloud cuckoo land but believes he is cleverer than anyone else many a criminal have that mind set until it all goes pear shaped and they end up doing some serious bird

[curiousessex]

If I remember correctly, Jeremy was specifically asked about Jeremy having received an alleged telephone call from Nevill on the morning of 7th August 1985.

At that time and in the immediate aftermath Jeremy was asked why Nevill had telephoned Jeremy as opposed to Nevill deciding to telephone the Police. I beleive, Jeremy's reply / explanation was that Nevill, as a private man, would have wanted Sheila's troubles to be kept only within the family and thus not get any of the authorities involved.

As such, Jeremy initially did not believe Nevill would have allegedly called the Police. This was not a part of Jeremy's initial version of alleged events.

Since then, apart from Jeremy being charged and hence challenged on his version of events (subsequently convicted of 5 murders) what else may have helped change Jeremy's mind/ reasoning?

[maggie]

If I remember correctly, Jeremy was specifically asked about Jeremy having received an alleged telephone call from Nevill on the morning of 7th August 1985.

At that time and in the immediate aftermath Jeremy was asked why Nevill had telephoned Jeremy as opposed to Nevill deciding to telephone the Police. I beleive, Jeremy's reply / explanation was that Nevill, as a private man, would have wanted Sheila's troubles to be kept only within the family and thus not get any of the authorities involved.

As such, Jeremy initially did not believe Nevill would have allegedly called the Police. This was not a part of Jeremy's initial version of alleged events.

Since then, apart from Jeremy being charged and hence challenged on his version of events (subsequently convicted of 5 murders) what else may have helped change Jeremy's mind/ reasoning?

Hello curiousessex, good to see you posting.

[guest7363]

If I remember correctly, Jeremy was specifically asked about Jeremy having received an alleged telephone call from Nevill on the morning of 7th August 1985.

At that time and in the immediate aftermath Jeremy was asked why Nevill had telephoned Jeremy as opposed to Nevill deciding to telephone the Police. I beleive, Jeremy's reply / explanation was that Nevill, as a private man, would have wanted Sheila's troubles to be kept only within the family and thus not get any of the authorities involved.

As such, Jeremy initially did not believe Nevill would have allegedly called the Police. This was not a part of Jeremy's initial version of alleged events.

Since then, apart from Jeremy being charged and hence challenged on his version of events (subsequently convicted of 5 murders) what else may have helped change Jeremy's mind/ reasoning?

Welcome back Curiousessex, I think I’ve read in one statement something about this only the other day.  I honestly think a lot is fed into Jeremy by his supporters, you can see various things that he never said at trial and says after or vice versa, one instantance, at trial when he was asked why he left the rifle out, he said it was because he had been lapsidacical, yet in questioning he’s always said he was in a hurry, small yes, but they look for these discrepancies.

[Adam]

Nevill's 3am call to Bamber is the weirdest phone call I have ever heard about. Even the judge said it was 'difficult or impossible to understand or explain' (mysterious).

Not just because Nevill would never call Bamber in his situation. But when Bamber did eventually pick up the phone from sleeping 'like a log', Nevill spoke for 2 - 4 seconds & then put the phone down.

[Adam]

The second weirdest phone call I have ever about is Bamber's call to the 5th/6th furtest away police station, 22 miles away. The call being made 26 minutes after Nevill's call to him.

Bamber's call to Julie before Nevill's call to him is a close third.

[Adam]

Bamber calling Julie at 10am is not very stange. It is normal for a boyfriend to call his girlfriend.

The call was a bit late and Julie had not heard from Bamber since the weekend. His call is also just hours before the massacre. However supporters will say these are just coincidences.

What is strange is that Bamber can't remember a thing about the 17 minute conversation from a call he had made. Although remembers details about earlier kitchen conversations at WHF which were nothing to do with him.

[guest7363]

The second weirdest phone call I have ever about is Bamber's call to the 5th/6th furtest away police station, 22 miles away. The call being made 26 minutes after Nevill's call to him.

Bamber's call to Julie before Nevill's call to him is a close third.

Maybe he was planning which station/car would be best to pick him up on route, you know, like a taxi service?

[guest7363]

Someone has been reading the Red Forum!

Not me Caroline, I got accused the other day of that?

[guest7363]

Ta Justice It seems to me that some people -all right, supporters- will accept anything, presented as factual possibility, which MIGHT turn guilt to innocence. They give no thought to any of the suggestions having lives of their own, and, as a result, consequences.

I think what benefits me you and Caroline, at least we have looked at both sides, I think that’s what gives us the edge don’t you think?

[sami]

its pointless to let jb out now poor fella has been in the nick so long has been institutionalised he would not be able to fit back in society .far better for his sake to let him stay where he.its whats best for him

[guest7363]

'Course, it seems that Lookout might be the only one who knows about it.

I must admit it’s the first I’ve heard about it Jane, I’m trying to find a source at this moment.

[guest7363]

Nothing desperate about me,but there's something positively phony about you !!

In a COLP statement,it lists the crimes of JM and one of them is smuggling drugs from Canada to the UK.

Miffed,are you ??

I came across a Louise Carr is this the woman you were on about Lookout?  It looks like she gave a witness statement at some stage?  I couldn’t copy and past it for you (not the statement) it just said Louise Carr W/S?

[maggie]

Sorry I have locked this thread while I searate the osts into different threads as it has moved way off course.  Will be quick.  Thanks