Why did jeremy say this.

[Caroline]

It does waste a lot of time if Nugs creates a thread asking a question on something that was not said. Which he does do.

If he made an error he should say so. However he just ignores source requests.

Certainly a little proof wouldn't go amiss.

[Adam]

Certainly a little proof wouldn't go amiss.

Nugs does create thread questions based on things that were never said.

Maybe he believes they would have been said if his conspiracy theory was correct.

If a source is requested on the thread post, Nugs ignores it and starts posting on another thread. He hasn't posted on this thread since I asked for a source on page 1.

[Adam]

How does jeremys repeated cliam that he saw a male figure in the house sqaure with him trying to frame sheila.

Hopefully Nugs will supply the source today. It was first requested several days ago by two posters. 

It does waste a lot of time for forum members when Nugs creates thread questions on something that was never said.

[lookout]

Hopefully Nugs will supply the source today. It was first requested several days ago by two posters.

It does waste a lot of time for forum members when Nugs creates thread questions on something that was never said.

If you took your blinkers off then perhaps you'd appreciate the other side to this case------which is the reason why the forum was set up in the first place. We wouldn't be discussing it if it had been a straight forward " beyond reasonable doubt "------which it wasn't.

[Caroline]

If you took your blinkers off then perhaps you'd appreciate the other side to this case------which is the reason why the forum was set up in the first place. We wouldn't be discussing it if it had been a straight forward " beyond reasonable doubt "------which it wasn't.

I've been on the other side of the case ............ perhaps you should consider the other side?

[lookout]

I've been on the other side of the case ............ perhaps you should consider the other side?

I HAVE considered the " other side ",but it gave me a bad feeling about where the truth lay and also about the type of characters who put JB away----------not one decent one among them.

[Caroline]

I HAVE considered the " other side ",but it gave me a bad feeling about where the truth lay and also about the type of characters who put JB away----------not one decent one among them.

So, you have considered the guilty side from an innocent perspective? - Not the same thing! OK enough of this - off out!

[Adam]

If you took your blinkers off then perhaps you'd appreciate the other side to this case------which is the reason why the forum was set up in the first place. We wouldn't be discussing it if it had been a straight forward " beyond reasonable doubt "------which it wasn't.

Not sure what this has got to do with me asking for a source.

Anyway Nugs has finally provided a source from his 2014 thread. It seems to vary between Patti, Lookout, a book & interview transcripts.

Hopefully he will provide a link & page number for the interview transcripts. And hopefully provide a source for this thread. Which has been requested several times.

[Jane]

I HAVE considered the " other side ",but it gave me a bad feeling about where the truth lay and also about the type of characters who put JB away----------not one decent one among them.

Further proof, perhaps, of you and Jeremy being cut from the same mold?

[lookout]

Not sure what this has got to do with me asking for a source.

Anyway Nugs has finally provided a source from his 2014 thread. It seems to vary between Patti, Lookout, a book & interview transcripts.

Hopefully he will provide a link & page number for the interview transcripts. And hopefully provide a source for this thread. Which has been requested several times.

Why don't you provide a source of forensic evidence ??

[Adam]

Why don't you provide a source of forensic evidence ??

Sources in capitals.


Perfectly clean palm of hands on Sheila - Not disputed - COA

One blood mark on back of hand of Sheila - Not disputed - COA

Extremley low levels of lead found on hands on Sheila.  Not consistent with handling a rifle. Significantly higher traces expected - Not disputed - COA

Well manicured nails on Sheila - Not disputed - COA.

No broken nails - Not disputed COA.

Nails in tact - Not disputed - COA.

No marks or indentations on Sheila's fingers - Not disputed - COA.

No blood on finger tips - Not disputed - COA.

No dirt on finger tips - Not disputed - COA.

No powder on finger tips - Not disputed - COA.

Sheila's time limits - Not disputed - POLICE, BAMBER.

No trace of any lead dust coating on Sheila - Not disputed - COA.

No traces of the lubricant from re loading twice - Not disputed - COA

Very clean feet - Disputed with one picture of foot with redness - COA.

Feet free from significant blood staining - Disputed with one picture of foot with redness - COA.

Bamber doing nothing between 3.10am - 3.26/36am - Not disputed - BAMBER

No debris such as sugar on feet - Not disputed - COA.

No foot injuries after bare footed aggressive movement around big house & brutal fight - Not disputed - PHOTOGRAPHS, PATHOLOGIST.

Only Sheila Caffell's blood on nightdress - Not disputed - COA.

No presence of firearm residue on nightdress - Not disputed - COA.

No trace of rifle oil on nightdress - Not disputed - COA.

No mention of nightdress damage from agressive movement and brutal kitchen fight - Not disputed - COA.

No facial injuries on Sheila - Not disputed - PHOTOGRAPHS, PATHOLOGIST.

Bamber/Sheila avoiding kitchen fight injuries - Not disputed - FORUM.

Nevill's massive height/weight advantage over Sheila - Not disputed - ACCEPTED FACT.

Impossibility of shower removing evidence off Sheila - Not disputed - SCIENTIFIC FACT.

Impossibility of Sheila showering after killing herself - Not disputed - SCIENTIFIC FACT.

Nevill being found bare footed in pyjamas suggesting had just got out of bed - Not disputed - PHOTOS.

Sheila being found bare footed in pyjamas suggesting she had just got out of bed - Not disputed - PHOTOS.

Paint in silencer - Not disputed but suggestion from Bamber cousins did this - NUMEROUS SOURCES. .

Aga scratch's - Not disputed but suggestion from Bamber cousins did this - NUMEROUS SOURCES.

Blood in silencer - Not disputed but suggestion from Bamber cousins did this - NUMEROUS SOURCES.

No blood in the rifle end - Not disputed - NUMEROUS SOURCES.

Sheila's legs pulled after second shot - Not disputed - COA.

Sheila's blood underneath the bible - Not disputed - COA.

A lot of blood on Nevill's side of the bed - Not disputed - PHOTOGRAPHS.

Large scale multiple mental & physical effects of Haloperidol - Not disputed. - INTERNET ARTICLES, YOUTUBE.

Sheila having Haloperidol in her body - Not disputed - COA.

Sheila's condition hours before the massacre - Not disputed. Bamber being a main witness - BAMBER & OTHER PEOPLE.

Sheila under sedation - Not disputed - COA.

Easy window entrance into WHF - Not disputed. Agreed by Bamber. - BAMBER.

Shutting kitchen window from outside - Disputed but 20 independent sources prove otherwise - 20 SOURCES IN THE LIBRARY.

No better massacre weapon options - Not disputed - FORUM.

Professor Herbert Leon Mcdonell - Not disputed after Bamber hired him - WILKES'S BOOK.

Easy bike routes to WHF - Not disputed - NUMEROUS SOURCES.

Bike brought to Bamber's cottage just before the massacre - Not disputed - BAMBERS POLICE INTERVIEWS.

June not waking/getting shot in bed - Not disputed - COA.

Nevill's back burns - Not disputed. Suggestion burns were caused minus silencer rejected - BAMBER, TONIGHT PROGRAMME.

2012 CCRC court judgement - judicial review request made & rejected - JUDICIAL REVIEW DOCUMENT.

The twins not waking - Not disputed - NUMEROUS SOURCES.

Bamber's call to the police - Not disputed - NUMEROUS SOURCES.

Nevill's horrific injuries - Not disputed - COURT OF APPEAL.

Sheila's time limits - Not disputed - POLICE STATEMENTS.

No valid Sheila scenario - Not disputed - OS & FORUM.

Bamber's 3am call to Julie - Not disputed - BAMBER.

Nevill's 2/4 second call to Bamber - Not disputed - BAMBER.

Bamber asking the police to pick him up - Not disputed - WILKES, CRIMES, HEARTS & CORONETS.

Ease for a man to lift & carry a woman - Not disputed. YOUTUBE VIDEO.

Crime scenes of 5 individuals - Not disputed - COA.

June & the twins not waking - Not disputed - COA.

The found hacksaw - Not disputed - BAMBER.

Bible on Sheila's arm- Not disputed - PHOTOGRAPHS.

Execution period 12am - 3am - Not disputed - BAMBER

Housekeeper evidence of items around the sink being moved - Not disputed- PB WS, WILKES'S BOOK

Bloodied palm print on Sheila's nightdress - Not disputed - COA.

Nevill's bruised feet and knees - Not disputed - FORUM.

[lookout]

Further proof, perhaps, of you and Jeremy being cut from the same mold?

Maybe we can see through people better than the norm.

[guest2181]

Sources in capitals.


Perfectly clean palm of hands on Sheila - Not disputed - COA

One blood mark on back of hand of Sheila - Not disputed - COA

Extremley low levels of lead found on hands on Sheila.  Not consistent with handling a rifle. Significantly higher traces expected - Not disputed - COA

Well manicured nails on Sheila - Not disputed - COA.

No broken nails - Not disputed COA.

Nails in tact - Not disputed - COA.

No marks or indentations on Sheila's fingers - Not disputed - COA.

No blood on finger tips - Not disputed - COA.

No dirt on finger tips - Not disputed - COA.

No powder on finger tips - Not disputed - COA.

Sheila's time limits - Not disputed - POLICE, BAMBER.

No trace of any lead dust coating on Sheila - Not disputed - COA.

No traces of the lubricant from re loading twice - Not disputed - COA

Very clean feet - Disputed with one picture of foot with redness - COA.

Feet free from significant blood staining - Disputed with one picture of foot with redness - COA.

Bamber doing nothing between 3.10am - 3.26/36am - Not disputed - BAMBER

No debris such as sugar on feet - Not disputed - COA.

No foot injuries after bare footed aggressive movement around big house & brutal fight - Not disputed - PHOTOGRAPHS.

Only Sheila Caffell's blood on nightdress - Not disputed - COA.

No presence of firearm residue on nightdress - Not disputed - COA.

No trace of rifle oil on nightdress - Not disputed - COA.

No mention of nightdress damage from agressive movement and brutal kitchen fight - Not disputed - COA.

No facial injuries on Sheila - Not disputed - PHOTOGRAPHS.

Bamber/Sheila avoiding kitchen fight injuries - Not disputed - FORUM.

Nevill's massive height/weight advantage over Sheila - Not disputed - ACCEPTED FACT.

Impossibility of shower removing evidence off Sheila - Not disputed - SCIENTIFIC FACT.

Impossibility of Sheila showering after killing herself - Not disputed - SCIENTIFIC FACT.

Nevill being found bare footed in pyjamas suggesting had just got out of bed - Not disputed - PHOTOS.

Sheila being found bare footed in pyjamas suggesting she had just got out of bed - Not disputed - PHOTOS.

Paint in silencer - Not disputed but suggestion from Bamber cousins did this - NUMEROUS SOURCES. .

Aga scratch's - Not disputed but suggestion from Bamber cousins did this - NUMEROUS SOURCES.

Blood in silencer - Not disputed but suggestion from Bamber cousins did this - NUMEROUS SOURCES.

No blood in the rifle end - Not disputed - NUMEROUS SOURCES.

Sheila's legs pulled after second shot - Not disputed - COA.

Sheila's blood underneath the bible - Not disputed - COA.

A lot of blood on Nevill's side of the bed - Not disputed - PHOTOGRAPHS.

Large scale multiple mental & physical effects of Haloperidol - Not disputed. - NUMEROUS SOURCES.

Sheila having Haloperidol in her body - Not disputed - COA.

Sheila's condition hours before the massacre - Not disputed. Bamber being a main witness - BAMBER & OTHER PEOPLE.

Sheila under sedation - Not disputed - COA.

Easy window entrance into WHF - Not disputed. Agreed by Bamber. - BAMBER.

Shutting kitchen window from outside - Disputed but 20 independent sources prove otherwise - 20 SOURCES IN THE LIBRARY.

No better massacre weapon options - Not disputed - FORUM.

Professor Herbert Leon Mcdonell - Not disputed after Bamber hired him - WILKES'S BOOK.

Items around the kitchen window being moved after housekeeper had left - Not disputed - WILKES'S BOOK.

Easy bike routes to WHF - Not disputed - NUMEROUS SOURCES.

Bike brought to Bamber's cottage just before the massacre - Not disputed - BAMBERS POLICE INTERVIEWS.

June not waking/getting shot in bed - Not disputed - COA.

Nevill's back burns - Not disputed. Suggestion burns were caused minus silencer rejected - BAMBER.

2012 CCRC court judgement - judicial review request made & rejected - JUDICIAL REVIEW DOCUMENT.

The twins not waking - Not disputed - NUMEROUS SOURCES.

Bamber's call to the police - Not disputed - NUMEROUS SOURCES.

Nevill's horrific injuries - Not disputed - COURT OF APPEAL.

Sheila's time limits - Not disputed - POLICE STATEMENTS.

No valid Sheila scenario - Not disputed - OS & FORUM.

Bamber's 3am call to Julie - Not disputed - BAMBER.

Nevill's 2/4 second call to Bamber - Not disputed - BAMBER.

Bamber asking the police to pick him up - Not disputed - WILKES, CRIMES, HEARTS & CORONETS.

Nevill's back burns - Not disputed - BAMBER.

Ease for a man to lift & carry a woman - Not disputed. YOUTUBE VIDEO.

Crime scenes of 5 individuals - Not disputed - COA.

June & the twins not waking - Not disputed - COA.

The found hacksaw - Not disputed - BAMBER.

Bible on Sheila's arm- Not disputed - PHOTOGRAPHS.

Execution period 12am - 3am - Not disputed - BAMBER

Housekeeper evidence of items around the sink being moved - Not disputed- PB WS, WILKES'S BOOK

Come on Adam, practice what you preach!!!

When a source is requested a link needs to be supplied. If it is a long link, the page number should be given, espescially if it's hand written, as MM's interview transcripts are.

[Jane]

Maybe we can see through people better than the norm.

Maybe you inhabit your own worlds in which the thought/belief systems held, by you, to be accurate are considered, by others, to be totally unacceptable.

[nugnug]

Hopefully Nugs will provide his sources for his thread statement.

Forth request.

this is from somone who has never provided a single source for any of there claims.

I thought Jeremy was the source of unditfied male cliam apperantly it was ab policeman.

and not him.