The tinfoil in the safe

[Steve_uk]

Looking back at old posts, there is a feather on the dining table which some people claimed was actually an earring, other than that I can't find much about an earring in the kitchen. 

So desperately sad to look at the remnants of children's lives ,as Nicholas and Daniel laid down their prized possession on the cluttered oak settle, reassured by adult authority that their white kite would be safe until morning and that nobody would touch it, that white kite with its spars floating in the wind as the children ran, ran without a care in the world, whilst Jeremy changed gear, looking on askance at his bad knee which had prevented him from participation in Gresham’s and gaining that kudos of which he had always been devoid, ,and his resentment resurged at those carefree boys, those usurpers,who lived in their own little world at White House Farm and received the love and affection Jeremy himself had never experienced. And here he was, stuck inside the tractor like a mechanical prison, tied to the Farm by the terms of Nevill’s will, tied ,that was, until his parents were deceased.

[Roch]

So desperately sad to look at the remnants of children's lives ,as Nicholas and Daniel laid down their prized possession on the cluttered oak settle, reassured by adult authority that their white kite would be safe until morning and that nobody would touch it, that white kite with its spars floating in the wind as the children ran, ran without a care in the world, whilst Jeremy changed gear, looking on askance at his bad knee which had prevented him from participation in Gresham’s and gaining that kudos of which he had always been devoid, ,and his resentment resurged at those carefree boys, those usurpers,who lived in their own little world at White House Farm and received the love and affection Jeremy himself had never experienced. And here he was, stuck inside the tractor like a mechanical prison, tied to the Farm by the terms of Nevill’s will, tied ,that was, until his parents were deceased.

It wasnt their fault that their incredibly fragile and unwell mother was pushed over the edge by her relationships with their grandmother and their father.  Nor is it their fault that their unsuspecting uncle took the fall for their mother's actions.  The twins would never be old enough to understand the concept of 'vultures' and 'self interest'.

[maggie]

It wasnt their fault that their incredibly fragile and unwell mother was pushed over the edge by her relationships with their grandmother and their father.  Nor is it their fault that their unsuspecting uncle took the fall for their mother's actions.  The twins would never be old enough to understand the concept of 'vultures' and 'self interest'.

Interesting article in the Guardian today, it is now suspected that Schizophrenia is an autoimmune disease. A drug used for MS (which is now understood to be an autoimmune disease ) is being trialed at the moment and shows positive results for at leasr some.  Its a monthly intravenous infusion with none of the side effects of those dreadful antipsychotic drugs which actually only dealt with the psychosis but not with the other symptoms.
Too late for many but maybe hope for the future.

[Steve_uk]

It wasnt their fault that their incredibly fragile and unwell mother was pushed over the edge by her relationships with their grandmother and their father.  Nor is it their fault that their unsuspecting uncle took the fall for their mother's actions.  The twins would never be old enough to understand the concept of 'vultures' and 'self interest'.

That's a good one..

[Roch]

Interesting article in the Guardian today, it is now suspected that Schizophrenia is an autoimmune disease. A drug used for MS (which is now understood to be an autoimmune disease ) is being trialed at the moment and shows positive results for at leasr some.  Its a monthly intravenous infusion with none of the side effects of those dreadful antipsychotic drugs which actually only dealt with the psychosis but not with the other symptoms.
Too late for many but maybe hope for the future.

Maggie, how would you sum up an autoimmune desease, in layperson's terms?

[Steve_uk]

Maggie, how would you sum up an autoimmune desease, in layperson's terms?

It's when your immune system, which normally protects your body from disease, malfunctions and starts to attack itself, hence the "autoimmune" bit.

[JackieD]

It wasnt their fault that their incredibly fragile and unwell mother was pushed over the edge by her relationships with their grandmother and their father.  Nor is it their fault that their unsuspecting uncle took the fall for their mother's actions.  The twins would never be old enough to understand the concept of 'vultures' and 'self interest'.

It was all about money, greed and jealously
I wonder all the time how Mugford lives with her lies
Jeremy certainly would not have been convicted if it wasn't for her evil behaviour

[Roch]

It's when your immune system, which normally protects your body from disease, malfunctions and starts to attack itself, hence the "autoimmune" bit.

Thanks Steve. I would not have previously identified Sheila's illness with that kind of condition. 

[Roch]

It was all about money, greed and jealously
I wonder all the time how Mugford lives with her lies
Jeremy certainly would not have been convicted if it wasn't for her evil behaviour

I think it was self-preservation. She was a pawn caught between the relatives' designs and Stan Jones' brief (essentially the same thing - take Jeremy out).

[Steve_uk]

Thanks Steve. I would not have previously identified Sheila's illness with that kind of condition.

I haven't read the article maggie alluded to but the suggestion has been mooted before though only in a small minority of cases involving schizophrenia.

[JackieD]

I think it was self-preservation. She was a pawn caught between the relatives' designs and Stan Jones' brief (essentially the same thing - take Jeremy out).

I think she would have known Jeremy was not capable of the murders. I think you are very kind to excuse Julie's behaviour by saying she was forced in one direction where I believe her actions were born out of pure jealousy
I might have thought more like you if she hadn't done the NOTW article

She didn't know Jeremy was responsible for the murders

[Steve_uk]

I think she would have known Jeremy was not capable of the murders. I think you are very kind to excuse Julie's behaviour by saying she was forced in one direction where I believe her actions were born out of pure jealousy
I might have thought more like you if she hadn't done the NOTW article

She didn't know Jeremy was responsible for the murders

No I'm surprised anyone cottoned on at all really..

[David1819]

Because he is the only one without ANY injuries.  All of the other three have injuries. 

Vanezis original notes fail to mention Sheila's alleged injuries. The only injuries she has are the ones self inflicted.

[JackieD]

No I'm surprised anyone cottoned on at all really..

She made out she did though didn't she Steve

She certainly achieved what she set out to do

[Roch]

Vanezis original notes fail to mention Sheila's alleged injuries. The only injuries she has are the ones self inflicted.

You need to consult the legal team. Your argument on this is outdated.