The tinfoil in the safe

[Caroline]

I was a bit confused by that also.

I think that perhaps Caroline is alluding to a scenario where JB might only be able to have knowledge of certain details if he was actually present at WHF during the murders. 

Yes, that is what I mean.

[Roch]

Eh? Jeremy was there and had a fight with Sheila whereby her earring got pulled out?

People are attempting to conflate something from 2012, with a different claim I have made in recent weeks.  In 2012, Jeremy must have held the opinion that a crime scene photograph of the kitchen had revealed the presence of an earring component on the floor.  The implication being - if the component was linked to the incident, then Sheila must have been in the kitchen.  He added a caveat that the said component may not be linked to incident.  Though he felt, if that was the case, it would be a bit of a coincidence.

Recently I have pointed out that there is cylindrical, metallic, drop-earring caught on her nightdress towards the throat/armpit area.  It can barely be seen on forum images, due to their low quality definition.

I've pointed out that any officer photographing or studying her crime scene would have seen the earring.  Likewise, any pathologist cutting away the garment during post mortem, would or should have come across the errant earring and extracted it / provided an exhibit reference. 

These circumstances have resulted in some members deducing that Jeremy must have been in a struggle with Sheila, thereby dislodging the earring/s.

[Kaldin]

People are attempting to conflate something from 2012, with a different claim I have made in recent weeks.  In 2012, Jeremy must have held the opinion that a crime scene photograph of the kitchen had revealed the presence of an earring component on the floor.  The implication being - if the component was linked to the incident, then Sheila must have been in the kitchen.  He added a caveat that the said component may not be linked to incident.  Though he felt, if that was the case, it would be a bit of a coincidence.

Recently I have pointed out that there is cylindrical, metallic, drop-earring caught on her nightdress towards the throat/armpit area.  It can barely be seen on forum images, due to their low quality definition.

I've pointed out that any officer photographing or studying her crime scene would have seen the earring.  Likewise, any pathologist cutting away the garment during post mortem, would or should have come across the errant earring and extracted it / provided an exhibit reference. 

These circumstances have resulted in some members deducing that Jeremy must have been in a struggle with Sheila, thereby dislodging the earring/s.

They must also think she was in a struggle with Jeremy in the kitchen then. There's no evidence of that. I'd like to know where exactly the earring in the kitchen was supposed to be.

[guest2181]

They must also think she was in a struggle with Jeremy in the kitchen then. There's no evidence of that. I'd like to know where exactly the earring in the kitchen was supposed to be.

I don't recall that particular claim (there have been many), I suspect that was nonsense also.

[guest2181]

They must also think she was in a struggle with Jeremy in the kitchen then. There's no evidence of that. I'd like to know where exactly the earring in the kitchen was supposed to be.

Looking back at old posts, there is a feather on the dining table which some people claimed was actually an earring, other than that I can't find much about an earring in the kitchen. 

[Caroline]

They must also think she was in a struggle with Jeremy in the kitchen then. There's no evidence of that. I'd like to know where exactly the earring in the kitchen was supposed to be.

It's in the letter - they are Bambers words, NOT mine.

[Kaldin]

Looking back at old posts, there is a feather on the dining table which some people claimed was actually an earring, other than that I can't find much about an earring in the kitchen. 

I can see something resembling a feather on the table, but I don't think it's an earring. The photos of that table make me feel sad - it's set for a breakfast which never happened.

[Kaldin]

It's in the letter - they are Bambers words, NOT mine.

I didn't accuse you of saying anything.

[Caroline]

People are attempting to conflate something from 2012, with a different claim I have made in recent weeks.  In 2012, Jeremy must have held the opinion that a crime scene photograph of the kitchen had revealed the presence of an earring component on the floor.  The implication being - if the component was linked to the incident, then Sheila must have been in the kitchen.  He added a caveat that the said component may not be linked to incident.  Though he felt, if that was the case, it would be a bit of a coincidence.

Recently I have pointed out that there is cylindrical, metallic, drop-earring caught on her nightdress towards the throat/armpit area.  It can barely be seen on forum images, due to their low quality definition.

I've pointed out that any officer photographing or studying her crime scene would have seen the earring.  Likewise, any pathologist cutting away the garment during post mortem, would or should have come across the errant earring and extracted it / provided an exhibit reference. 

These circumstances have resulted in some members deducing that Jeremy must have been in a struggle with Sheila, thereby dislodging the earring/s.

You're deducing that Sheila was in a struggle with June - but it could just as easily have been Jeremy.

[Roch]

IF there is truth in what Roch said about other injuries, why does that mean Jeremy wasn't involved?

Because he is the only one without ANY injuries.  All of the other three have injuries. 

The moment Jeremy sustains ANY injury of note, he would be completely rumbled.  Therefore it's highly unlikely he would undertake the killings in the first place, with a low calibre weapon and three adults to subdue.  Any of the three adults could potentially defend the twins like wildcats.  The twins themselves could run and hide.

She didn't properly go to bed that night.

'daughter gone bersek'.

[Caroline]

Because he is the only one without ANY injuries.  All of the other three have injuries. 

The moment Jeremy sustains ANY injury of note, he would be completely rumbled.  Therrfore he would be highly unlikely to undertake the killings in the first place, with a low calibre weapon and three adults to subdue.  Any of the three adults could potentially defend the twins like wildcats.  The twins themselves could run and hide.

She didn't properly go to bed that night.

'daughter gone bersek'.

Why would he have injuries if he hit someone? He has a gun to defend himself. There is no reason why he would have injuries, he has the upper hand.

By the way, he told me about the earring in 2014 not 20012 and he added another 'caveat' by saying "I am persuaded by what I can see".

[guest2181]

I can see something resembling a feather on the table, but I don't think it's an earring. The photos of that table make me feel sad - it's set for a breakfast which never happened.

RB noted that he once saw JB wear a feather on his ear (obviously that makes him a murderer), I think that's probably where the discussion came from.

Yes it is sad, I suppose we become too familiar with the photographs to see that side of things sometimes.

[Caroline]

RB noted that he once saw JB wear a feather on his ear (obviously that makes him a murderer), I think that's probably where the discussion came from.

Yes it is sad, I suppose we become too familiar with the photographs to see that side of things sometimes.

I think it was Brett who wore the feather not Jeremy.

[guest2181]

I think it was Brett who wore the feather not Jeremy.

This is from the CT (so it must be true). 

There is more evidence, documents go on to state that Julie had, “said Jeremy was gay,”[3] and further in 1991 DI Hammett describes his lunch with Robert Boutflour and notes that he had remarked on Jeremy’s “un-savoury homosexual character” and that he was seen out “with a feather in his ear.”[4] I have only touched on some examples of these attitudes amongst the case documents. There are many more examples but there is not the space to cover this comprehensively.

https://jeremybamber.org/the-inheritance-issue/

[Roch]

Why would he have injuries if he hit someone? He has a gun to defend himself. There is no reason why he would have injuries, he has the upper hand.

By the way, he told me about the earring in 2014 not 20012 and he added another 'caveat' by saying "I am persuaded by what I can see".

He's not committing a crime by sharing with you in 2014, that was optimistic there was an earring part on the kitchen floor. I don't get what you mean.

He would be undertaking a very risky enterprise trying to kill five people with a low calibre weapon requiring multiple shots for some if not all victims.  Two kids could run and hide. Three adults could cooperate and coordinate a fight-back.  Under what curcumstances would he find himself needing to attack Sheila's right arm with his nails?  (i.e. IF I'm right - as you have stated).

What did she do - go to bed with one drop earring in?  Or did she never properly retire?