Sherlock has solved the case at last ...

[sherlock]

It's clearly NOT accidental that you're blurring descriptions of her during her first breakdown into her second, nearly 18 months later, when she didn't voice the same fears .

You are right - it is not accidental ...

My opinion is that whatever disturbed patterns of thought she had would reappear the next time she was having a psychotic attack ...

Why would those thoughts not reappear ?

Why would a whole new set of delusions completely replace her old delusions ?

It seems logical that those thoughts or similar would reappear next time round ...

Why not ?

[sherlock]

No! We damn well WON'T agree! You find me evidence of any other than the TWO psychotic episodes -both resulting in her being hospitalized- we know of, the second one described by Freddie.

Two psychotic episodes can be accurately described by my sentence

"Let us just agree that Sheila had been know to slip into into psychotic states previously shall we ?"

Whats not too agree with there ?

[Steve_uk]

There is nothing to suggest she had slept that night is there Adam ?

More like going from a quite paranoid withdrawn state ...

To a full blown Psychotic state ...

To then killing herself ...

Religious psychotic states make people behave and react in non standard ways Adam ...

Ways completely consistent with what Sheila did that night ...

That's true as far as it goes, though there is ample evidence that she was tired that week, and her fresh face suggests to me she did get some sleep before being awoken.

[Jane]

We know from all accounts that her mental health was very far from being good whilst she was visiting the farm that weekend - do we not ?

I hope we can agree on that at least ...

We actually know very little about her mental health -from mental health experts- but we have some pretty good descriptions from those who saw her during her last fortnight. There are supporters who would like everyone to believe she was working up to another psychotic episode -if she was it was clearly different from symptoms she'd previously exhibited- I'm inclined to believe she was deeply depressed.

[Stephanie]

It's you who's telling supporters that they're bias,not me. As usual,it's your over-use of the word,like projection and psychopath.

As I said Lookout, instead of ignoring my posts in response to your own, maybe if you were to read them and consider them in relation to your arguments and reply to them, you may then understand what is meant by bias.
 
What have your peceived idea of my "over use of the words like psychopath and projection" got to do with your previous posts and my replies?

Unless of course this is your attempt at diversion

[sherlock]

We actually know very little about her mental health -from mental health experts- but we have some pretty good descriptions from those who saw her during her last fortnight. There are supporters who would like everyone to believe she was working up to another psychotic episode -if she was it was clearly different from symptoms she'd previously exhibited- I'm inclined to believe she was deeply depressed.

I agree she appeared withdrawn and depressed ...

My personal opinion is that depression is anger turned in on one self ...

Maybe she was supressing a growing amount of anger ?

In my opinion anger often comes from fear ...

Maybe her delusional thinking was ramping up her fear levels too much for her to cope ...

And that caused a full blown psychotic attack ?

[Adam]

That's true as far as it goes, though her fresh face suggests to me she did get some sleep before being awoken.

10pm - 2am. That's 4 hours.

Do you agree with Sherlock that Sheila read the bible, had a shower & changed into her sleep clothes.  After her psychotic murder ?

[sherlock]

That's true as far as it goes, though her fresh face suggests to me she did get some sleep before being awoken.

If she did fall asleep for a time she could easily have woken up herself ...

[Jane]

You are right - it is not accidental ...

My opinion is that whatever disturbed patterns of thought she had would reappear the next time she was having a psychotic attack ...

Why would those thoughts not reappear ?

Why would a whole new set of delusions completely replace her old delusions ?

It seems logical that those thoughts or similar would reappear next time round ...

Why not ?

And you have proof, do you, that a psychotic holds onto thoughts they have during one attack and keeps them in reserve until the next? I see nothing logical in that, especially when the patient is on medication.

[sherlock]

10pm - 2am. That's 4 hours.

Do you agree with Sherlock that Sheila read the bible, had a shower & changed into her sleep clothes.  After her psychotic murder ?

Why not rephrase that slightly ?

"Do you think it possible that Sheila read the bible, had a shower & changed into her sleep clothes.  After her psychotic murder ?

[Steve_uk]

10pm - 2am. That's 4 hours.

Do you agree with Sherlock that Sheila read the bible, had a shower & changed into her sleep clothes.  After her psychotic murder ?

No some of the blood on her was cracked. I'd like to know how long it takes to assume the characteristic of cracked blood.

[sherlock]

And you have proof, do you, that a psychotic holds onto thoughts they have during one attack and keeps them in reserve until the next? I see nothing logical in that, especially when the patient is on medication.

I would assume that to be the case very often ...

Do any other forum members know how this type of thing works ?

[Steve_uk]

If she did fall asleep for a time she could easily have woken up herself ...

Considering she spent half her life in bed due to the side effects of her medication it's hardly likely.

[Jane]

I agree she appeared withdrawn and depressed ...

My personal opinion is that depression is anger turned in on one self ...

Maybe she was supressing a growing amount of anger ?

In my opinion anger often comes from fear ...

Maybe her delusional thinking was ramping up her fear levels too much for her to cope ...

And that caused a full blown psychotic attack ?

You really are floundering now, aren't you. You brag about having found the answer, but you seem to have no idea what the question is. You make up stories about biblical texts being the key, without having a door in which to insert it, then you do a mix and match with her two periods of illness and present them as being one. NOW after absolute certainty, you've resorted to "Maybe's" in the above post. At least that's more honest.

[Roch]

After a very long time considering this case I have now worked out exactly what happened ...

I have considered every possibility with a very open mind indeed ....

There is only one scenario that stands up to scrutiny ....

Here it is .....


Sheila was reading Psalm 51 because she had just murdered her family ....

She wanted to be forgiven by God for the murders ...

That is why she had washed herself ....
What is the evidence that she washed herself?

It was Sheila that moved the gun that WPC Jeaves saw in the window ....

It was Sheila that was seen moving in the other window ...

Sheila killed herself after the Police were outside the farm - that is why her blood was still wet ...
If she fired both of her own shots, why would police be fiddling with her crime scene prior to photography; moving bible and rifle etc?

David Boutflour (and possibly others) planted the silencer ....

The relatives put Julie up to the false confession - which is why she wrongly repeats things AE told her ...
Could DS Jones have been the medium for this - i.e. he was somewhat forearmed by the relatives, when pursuing Mugford?

DCS Jones was more than happy to coach Julie - he was up for noble cause corruption ....
Likewise DCS Ainsley was more than happy to appease 'Bobby'.  The fact he (Ainsley) already had a junior officer in place (Jones) who hated Jeremy must have been a godsend.

The relatives did it because they thought Jeremy was guilty and to avoid impending financial ruin ...
Led by Robert and Ann, they created such belief because it was what they wanted to believe. They fed off their own fears and arrogant interpretations.

This is why Robert Boutflour lied to the jury about the inheritance ....

I have no doubt all the relatives and Sheila?and DCS Jones were convinced that Jeremy did it ....
I think Ann was more concerned that he was sent down, regardless of whether he did it or not.

But he did not - he is 100% innocent of any involvement in this crime .....


Now I have satisfied myself without any doubt what happened it is time for stage 2 ....

Stage 2 is I am going to prove to the world exactly what happened ....

Jeremy Bamber needs to be released right now .....