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Offline Adam

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There are 23 pieces of evidence from the COA and another 8 pieces of sourced evidence which show Sheila did not committ the massacre. None except two pieces (foot) disputed by Bamber - 


Perfectly clean palm of hands on Sheila - Not disputed - COA

One blood mark on back of hand of Sheila - Not disputed - COA

Extremley low levels of lead found on hands on Sheila.  Not consistent with handling a rifle. Significantly higher traces expected - Not disputed - COA

Well manicured nails on Sheila - Not disputed - COA.

No broken nails - Not disputed COA.

Nails in tact - Not disputed - COA.

No marks or indentations on Sheila's fingers - Not disputed - COA.

No blood on finger tips - Not disputed - COA.

No dirt on finger tips - Not disputed - COA.

No powder on finger tips - Not disputed - COA.

No trace of any lead dust coating on Sheila - Not disputed - COA.

No traces of the lubricant from re loading twice - Not disputed - COA

Very clean feet - Disputed with one picture of foot with redness - COA.

Feet free from significant blood staining - Disputed with one picture of foot with redness - COA.

No debris such as sugar on feet - Not disputed - COA.

No foot injuries after bare footed aggressive movement around big house & brutal fight - Not disputed - PHOTOGRAPHS.

Only Sheila Caffell's blood on nightdress - Not disputed - COA.

No presence of firearm residue on nightdress - Not disputed - COA.

No trace of rifle oil on nightdress - Not disputed - COA.

No mention of nightdress damage from agressive movement and brutal kitchen fight - Not disputed - COA.

No facial injuries on Sheila - Not disputed - PHOTOGRAPHS.

Nevill's massive height/weight advantage over Sheila - Not disputed - ACCEPTED FACT.

Impossibility of shower removing evidence off Sheila - Not disputed - SCIENTIFIC FACT.

Impossibility of Sheila showering after killing herself - Not disputed - SCIENTIFIC FACT.

Sheila being found bare footed in pyjamas suggesting she had just got out of bed - Not disputed - PHOTOS.

Sheila's legs pulled after second shot - Not disputed - COA.

Sheila's blood underneath the bible - Not disputed - COA.

Sheila having Haloperidol in her body - Not disputed - COA.

Sheila's condition hours before the massacre - Not disputed. Bamber being a main witness - BAMBER & OTHER PEOPLE.

Sheila under sedation - Not disputed - COA.

Sheila's time limits - Not disputed - POLICE STATEMENTS.

No valid Sheila scenario - Not disputed - OS & FORUM

Bible on Sheila's arm- Not disputed - PHOTOGRAPHS.

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It has to be Bamber or a third party.



« Last Edit: October 03, 2017, 11:44:AM by Adam »
'Only I know what really happened that night'.

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I did not include the silencer in the list as Bamber has disputed this evidence over a long period.
« Last Edit: October 03, 2017, 11:42:AM by Adam »
'Only I know what really happened that night'.

Offline lookout

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you would not want to belive that your sister would of done such a thing so speculating that your cosen did isnt that unreasonable.

i mean to begin with everybody thought it was a 3rd party the relatives did not think jeremy actully did the dead himself.

and while ap is an unlikely suspect i dont think he can be completly ruled out.






It raised suspicion with me when he'd turned up at WHF out of the blue the weekend before the murders ( back-end of July ) It still remains to be a  strange coincidence .

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There are 23 pieces of evidence from the COA and another 8 pieces of sourced evidence which show Sheila did not committ the massacre. None except two pieces disputed by Bamber - 


Perfectly clean palm of hands on Sheila - Not disputed - COA

One blood mark on back of hand of Sheila - Not disputed - COA

Extremley low levels of lead found on hands on Sheila.  Not consistent with handling a rifle. Significantly higher traces expected - Not disputed - COA

Well manicured nails on Sheila - Not disputed - COA.

No broken nails - Not disputed COA.

Nails in tact - Not disputed - COA.

No marks or indentations on Sheila's fingers - Not disputed - COA.

No blood on finger tips - Not disputed - COA.

No dirt on finger tips - Not disputed - COA.

No powder on finger tips - Not disputed - COA.

No trace of any lead dust coating on Sheila - Not disputed - COA.

No traces of the lubricant from re loading twice - Not disputed - COA

Very clean feet - Disputed with one picture of foot with redness - COA.

Feet free from significant blood staining - Disputed with one picture of foot with redness - COA.

No debris such as sugar on feet - Not disputed - COA.

No foot injuries after bare footed aggressive movement around big house & brutal fight - Not disputed - PHOTOGRAPHS.

Only Sheila Caffell's blood on nightdress - Not disputed - COA.

No presence of firearm residue on nightdress - Not disputed - COA.

No trace of rifle oil on nightdress - Not disputed - COA.

No mention of nightdress damage from agressive movement and brutal kitchen fight - Not disputed - COA.

No facial injuries on Sheila - Not disputed - PHOTOGRAPHS.

Nevill's massive height/weight advantage over Sheila - Not disputed - ACCEPTED FACT.

Impossibility of shower removing evidence off Sheila - Not disputed - SCIENTIFIC FACT.

Impossibility of Sheila showering after killing herself - Not disputed - SCIENTIFIC FACT.

Sheila being found bare footed in pyjamas suggesting she had just got out of bed - Not disputed - PHOTOS.

Sheila's legs pulled after second shot - Not disputed - COA.

Sheila's blood underneath the bible - Not disputed - COA.

Sheila having Haloperidol in her body - Not disputed - COA.

Sheila's condition hours before the massacre - Not disputed. Bamber being a main witness - BAMBER & OTHER PEOPLE.

Sheila under sedation - Not disputed - COA.

Sheila's time limits - Not disputed - POLICE STATEMENTS.

No valid Sheila scenario - Not disputed - OS & FORUM

Bible on Sheila's arm- Not disputed - PHOTOGRAPHS.

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It has to be Bamber or a third party.


How to make a list of 31 pieces like Adam.

Step 1: Take 5 pieces of outdated and refuted evidence.

Step 2: Turn those 5 pieces into bullshit by claiming they are undisputed.

Step 3: Turn those 5 pieces of Bullshit into 25 by rewording those 5 pieces of bullshit fives times over.

Step 4: Insert 6 pieces of factual evidence that don't prove anything in order to make the other 25 pieces of bullshit look honest.

Step 5: Make up a source for each piece of bullshit by misquoting or misattributing the infomation to a any particular person.

Step 6: Claim Bamber agrees to everything and anything because Roger Wilkes interviewed him.

Step 7: Never talk about one single piece of evidence at a time because none of them stand up to scrutiny.

Step 8: Once people realise the list of pieces is just a load of garbage simply ignore them and post it all again.

Done.

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How David shows Bamber is innocent - 

Step 1: 

Create a forensic evidence breakthrough but not say what it is. 


Step 2: 

Create his own diagrams of bouncing bullets. 


Step 3: 

Say RB & Julie imagined MM between them. 


Step 4: 

Say Bamber has wriiten 6 letters to him but refuse to post them. 


Step 5: 

Create 5 Sheila scenarios because the other 4 were rubbish (so was the 5th). 


Step 6: 

Say he had a meeting with Bamber's legal advisors which he cycled to. 


Step 7: 

Deny ever being a guilter. 


Step 8: 

Say the COA is not a valid source because it was in 2002 ? 


Step 9: 

Claim Julie should have been wired up after splitting up with Bamber. 


Step 10: 

Say he is are going to submit 3D diagrams of the kitchen fight & devolpments on the aga scratches. Then don't. 
'Only I know what really happened that night'.

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Almost forgot David's other bullshit claims -

Change stance because of one post from Scipio.

Change stance because of non evidence.

Say it takes 100 minutes to walk 3 miles.

Say it takes 30 minutes longer to walk 3 miles in the dark.

Make up something & believe putting up a picture of Ricky Gervaise will mean the other poster won't bother checking.

Say there are sources that the police moved the bible onto Sheila's arm before photos were taken. But not provide them.

Say the relatives could get Sheila's blood from wet clothes in a bucket.

Say the police didn't tell Bamber about Nevill's call to the police so they could frame him.

Dispute 6 out of 62 pieces of sourced forensic evidence & forget about the other 56 pieces.

Argue that a 999 call was made from WHF at 6.09am.

Say the conviction was due to 'forgery & perjury'. Then say it wasn't.
« Last Edit: October 03, 2017, 12:07:PM by Adam »
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It's no good swamping the forum with your posts--------it doesn't make JB the guilty one.Empty vessels !

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It raised suspicion with me when he'd turned up at WHF out of the blue the weekend before the murders ( back-end of July ) It still remains to be a  strange coincidence .
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who are we talking about lookout

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If you did but realise it, it promotes his innocence. ;D

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I politely answered David's reply 13 post.

My reply had 23 sources from the COA. Together with another 8 pieced sources.

Not sure what else I can do.

David has previously & briefly claimed the COA is not a valid source. But has never said why.

He now just focuses on me whenever sourced evidence is posted.
« Last Edit: October 03, 2017, 12:12:PM by Adam »
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David said in 2015 -

'The forensics point to him in all directions despite the police errors and inconsistencies'.

Now all this evidence is not valid.

Why ? Because David realised the relatives & police had the opportunity to work together to create a sick, complex & risky fabrication on one piece of evidence.

There is no evidence the police & relatives did what David believes was possible.
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It raised suspicion with me when he'd turned up at WHF out of the blue the weekend before the murders ( back-end of July ) It still remains to be a  strange coincidence .
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who are we talking about lookout




Sorry,wrong thread---------it was AP.

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i wonder weather the ap alegation does come from jeremy or he heard it somewhere else.

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  • The facts leading to the Simon Hall confession

As more details leak Jeremy's story changes, as is evidenced these past 3 decades

He's manufactured a wealth of rubbish over the years and manipulated many in the process

In this letter (2009) he talks of Ann & David's arrest?  ::)

"Key to my speedy release is getting Ann & David arrested"

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,2425.msg74648.html#msg74648

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“The only people who are mad at you for telling the truth are those people who are living a lie. Keep telling the truth"