Where did the allegations in the Mckensie report originate; Jeremy Bamber?

[lookout]

Another sweeping statement. Dr Ferguson didn't say she never mentioned them. Such WOULD have been curious. She told Ann that she missed then. Difficult to do if she didn't realize she had children, don't you think? Besides which, you've recently said that you don't believe her to have been mentally ill.

It's documented that on entering the hospital Sheila had been in a " psychotic state ". Your memory is failing fast.
You've just said that her children/family weren't mentioned ?

[lookout]

Sheila's state of health was nothing that couldn't have been resolved. She'd have been in a state of utter confusion about " what was wrong with her , why did Colin choose to leave her,why has Colin got her children,why is her mother so mean to her ". Her mind would have been in turmoil and she was reaching out for the help that didn't come. What a dreadful state to have been in for anyone.
Then she was given medication to knock her out,which she didn't want or need until she'd asked for it to be reduced,so she was fully aware that she hadn't liked or tolerated the drowsy effect that it was giving her. Had it been oral,she wouldn't have taken it at all. Other medications weren't taken because of their effects.

[Jane]

It's documented that on entering the hospital Sheila had been in a " psychotic state ". Your memory is failing fast.
You've just said that her children/family weren't mentioned ?

 I'm fully aware of what their diagnosis was, however, despite that, YOU say it was a wrong diagnosis and that she wasn't mentally ill. Not mentioning may simply mean that they weren't her uppermost concerns.

[Jane]

Sheila's state of health was nothing that couldn't have been resolved. She'd have been in a state of utter confusion about " what was wrong with her , why did Colin choose to leave her,why has Colin got her children,why is her mother so mean to her ". Her mind would have been in turmoil and she was reaching out for the help that didn't come. What a dreadful state to have been in for anyone.
Then she was given medication to knock her out,which she didn't want or need until she'd asked for it to be reduced,so she was fully aware that she hadn't liked or tolerated the drowsy effect that it was giving her. Had it been oral,she wouldn't have taken it at all. Other medications weren't taken because of their effects.

Well, you're doing a very curious balancing act between having her just sick enough to meet your own criteria -as a nurse, not a specialist- and having her totally psychotic and believing herself to be someone else. You can't have it both ways.

[lookout]

Well, you're doing a very curious balancing act between having her just sick enough to meet your own criteria -as a nurse, not a specialist- and having her totally psychotic and believing herself to be someone else. You can't have it both ways.

Whatever Sheila's problem she still knew who she was and remained to have her faculties unlike many.

[Jane]

Whatever Sheila's problem she still knew who she was and remained to have her faculties unlike many.

Surely we know that she -at one time- believed herself to be the Virgin Mary or Joan of Arc? Interesting that a woman who must have felt herself entirely powerless should imagine herself to be two of the most powerful females figures in history, don't you think?

[lookout]

Surely we know that she -at one time- believed herself to be the Virgin Mary or Joan of Arc? Interesting that a woman who must have felt herself entirely powerless should imagine herself to be two of the most powerful females figures in history, don't you think?

My friend's daughter who was hospitalised last year was a " princess who ruled over somewhere or other and always made headline news " and who also had violent tendencies towards her mother, was released from hospital after nearly 4 months has been living as near normal a  life in a converted house with people like herself. The difference being that these people are supervised on a daily basis,are medicated properly and generally being prepared for normal living. Something that Sheila was never afforded.
Initial diagnosis ? Post natal depression which had gone on for 17 years.

[Jane]

My friend's daughter who was hospitalised last year was a " princess who ruled over somewhere or other and always made headline news " and who also had violent tendencies towards her mother, was released from hospital after nearly 4 months has been living as near normal a  life in a converted house with people like herself. The difference being that these people are supervised on a daily basis,are medicated properly and generally being prepared for normal living. Something that Sheila was never afforded.
Initial diagnosis ? Post natal depression which had gone on for 17 years.

Every case of mental illness is totally unique. No two life experiences are going to be the same. My personal belief is that most mental illnesses can't be cured by medication alone and require some degree of counselling along side it. There but for the grace of God, "these people" are you and me, Lookout. NONE of us is immune. I'm also not prepared to accept that PND lasts 17 years without transmuting to something else, if only because it can no longer be PN.

[Steve_uk]

Every case of mental illness is totally unique. No two life experiences are going to be the same. My personal belief is that most mental illnesses can't be cured by medication alone and require some degree of counselling along side it. There but for the grace of God, "these people" are you and me, Lookout. NONE of us is immune. I'm also not prepared to accept that PND lasts 17 years without transmuting to something else, if only because it can no longer be PN.

There's new evidence from Scandinavia to suggest that schizophrenia is largely genetic:
https://www.sciencealert.com/schizophrenia-is-80-genetic-according-to-this-massive-study-on-twins

[Jane]

There's new evidence from Scandinavia to suggest that schizophrenia is largely genetic:
https://www.sciencealert.com/schizophrenia-is-80-genetic-according-to-this-massive-study-on-twins

That's interesting, Steve. Back in the 90's I did some work on a paper which discussed the link between adopted children and schizophrenia.

[lookout]

There's new evidence from Scandinavia to suggest that schizophrenia is largely genetic:
https://www.sciencealert.com/schizophrenia-is-80-genetic-according-to-this-massive-study-on-twins

I'd said myself it was genetic. Any type of unidentified illness in a child is usually from either one parent or even a generation or two previous.