The Bible

[sherlock]

Would Pargeter risk trying to take down three adults using a low calibre weapon designed for killing vermin?  How would Pargeter explain any injuries he sustained concurrent with the killings?   How could Pargeter guarantee avoidance of such injuries - given the weapon of choice?

If it was Anthony Pargeter then my feeling is he had an accomplice - probably Robert Boutflour and it was a two gun incident ...

Who saw Anthony after the murders ?

Anthony knew the guns were at the farm and in working condition ....

The problem with this theory as Caroline once pointed out is the coincidence of Jeremy having left the loaded gun out only hours before it happened ...

But Anthony did know there were 2 working rifles in the downstairs of the property ...

I have considered it being Anthony and Jeremy but the problem with this theory and the Jeremy / Malcolm theory (or Jeremy and any one else theory) is this - why would Jeremys accomplice still be in the farm when Jeremy got there with the Police ? It would not make any sense ...

Because of WPC Jeaves I am sure that there was someone walking around in the farm when Jeremy and the Police arrived - and unless WPC Jeaves was very much mistaken then the above logic shows that Jeremy is innocent of any involvement ...

[sherlock]

If it was Anthony Pargeter then my feeling is he had an accomplice - probably Robert Boutflour and it was a two gun incident ...

Who saw Anthony after the murders ?

Anthony knew the guns were at the farm and in working condition ....

The problem with this theory as Caroline once pointed out is the coincidence of Jeremy having left the loaded gun out only hours before it happened ...

But Anthony did know there were 2 working rifles in the downstairs of the property ...

I have considered it being Anthony and Jeremy but the problem with this theory and the Jeremy / Malcolm theory (or Jeremy and any one else theory) is this - why would Jeremys accomplice still be in the farm when Jeremy got there with the Police ? It would not make any sense ...

Because of WPC Jeaves I am sure that there was someone walking around in the farm when Jeremy and the Police arrived - and unless WPC Jeaves was very much mistaken then the above logic shows that Jeremy is innocent of any involvement ...

The above leads me to think it must have been Sheila that was walking about in the house or it was whoever forced Neville to make that call - and that they assumed Jeremy would turn up alone thereby completing the wipeout of all the family - if that is true then my money is firmly on it being Anthony - his motive - the inheritance ...

[Steve_uk]

The above leads me to think it must have been Sheila that was walking about in the house or it was whoever forced Neville to make that call - and that they assumed Jeremy would turn up alone thereby completing the wipeout of all the family - if that is true then my money is firmly on it being Anthony - his motive - the inheritance ...

This theory falls down because if you go off Jeremy's version of events his father told him Sheila was the perpetrator, not Anthony Pargeter hiding in the closet.

[sherlock]

This theory falls down because if you go off Jeremy's version of events his father told him Sheila was the perpetrator, not Anthony Pargeter hiding in the closet.

There are 2 possibilities here :

1) Anthony impersonated Neville - he was like a second son to Neville and the conversation lasted about 11 seconds ...

2) Anthony forced Neville to make the call - once he had said what he was told to say then Anthony cut the phone call off and finished Neville off - and waited for Jeremy to arrive ...

To me 2) is much more likely than 1) - but 1) is not impossible if Anthony was a competent mimic ...

[nugnug]

This theory falls down because if you go off Jeremy's version of events his father told him Sheila was the perpetrator, not Anthony Pargeter hiding in the closet.

i think the theory works on it not really being nevile on the phone.

[Caroline]

There are 2 possibilities here :

1) Anthony impersonated Neville - he was like a second son to Neville and the conversation lasted about 11 seconds ...

2) Anthony forced Neville to make the call - once he had said what he was told to say then Anthony cut the phone call off and finished Neville off - and waited for Jeremy to arrive ...

To me 2) is much more likely than 1) - but 1) is not impossible if Anthony was a competent mimic ...

Are you serious? 

[Caroline]

Caroline - you have absolutely no idea at all about the Bible or those particular passages ...

So why are you making out you do understand them ?

What is your real agenda on this forum ?

Why not share with the forum members your interpretation of what those Psalms are about ?

Oh sorry I forgot - you can't - you do not understand them at all whatsoever ....

Perhaps you should stick to talking about things you know about in future ?

Kaldin is puzzled by the Bible in this case ...

Let Kaldin look into it with an open mind with guidance from someone who understands those Psalms 

The passages are irrelevant.

[Caroline]

The only conclusion that I draw from the significance of those Psalms is this :

 Whoever was responsible for the Bible being open at that page had a high level of religious understanding - it was 100% relevant to what had took place - way beyond coincidence ...

It could have been Sheila or Jeremy or Malcolm or maybe someone else - but whoever it was had a total understanding of those Psalms significance - something that most people do not posses ...

It is a rare person who would understand the significance ....

So for me it is a possible clue as to the guilty parties identity ...

When I am asking myself if a particular person is guilty one relevant factor therefore is "do they have an expert knowledge of religion ?"

If they do then to me it would make them a more likely suspect - if they do not then I would rule them out for that reason alone - it's that significant ....

For example if I was investigating whether or not Malcolm was involved then his knowledge of religion would be very significant - same goes for Anthony Parteger, Robert Boutflour, Jeremy and Sheila and any other suspect that I put thought to ...

If it was in fact Sheila that was reading those Psalms that night then to me she would be 100% responsible for that reason alone ...

If it was someone else then they wrongly assumed that whoever found the Bible would pick up on the significance thereby making it look like Sheila committed suicide ...

It either was Sheila or was meant to look like Sheila was reading that particular page ...

If it was not Sheila then it was not just the Bible being next to her that was meant to suggest it was her - it was the exact page as well ...

As it turned out no one picked up on the significance of that particular page ...

Kaldin might be right in feeling that the Bible might have an extra interesting story to tell us ...

Consider this :

If it was Sheila then did the Bible get blood stained etc on that page naturally ?

Or does the way it was found and the blood stains look more like a "set up" on careful examination of the facts ?

Yes.

[sherlock]

Are you serious? 

yes 

You can believe that Jeremy killed his family for the inheritance - right ?

So why can you not believe that Anthony would have done the same ?

You can believe that Jeremy used deception to mislead people in the murders - right ?

So why can you not believe that Anthony could have used deception in the murders ? ....

They were more or less brothers - what is the difference between them in your opinion ?

Many people can do convincing imitations of others - why not Anthony ?

Why do you think Anthony could not have forced Neville at gunpoint to make the call ?

It is all too possible ...

Remember Anthony was there a week before checking and testing his rifle ....

He could have accessed the farmhouse at night just as easily as Jeremy could ....

Anthony did end up with a lot of the inheritance ...

Anthony could easily have been behind planting the silencer ...

Anthony and Robert knew Julie and the local Police and could have been behind her false statement ...

Why can you not see it is perfectly possible ?

Is it just because no one has suggested the possibility to you before ?

Maybe it contradicts your pre conceived idea of Anthony ?

But you know zero about Anthony ...

All any of us know is that he was an expert marksman who went and bought a nightclub in Ibiza with the inheritance money ....

And are you sure about where his rifle actually was ?

Many are sure he lied to the Police about his rifle and his silencer - why would he do that ?

So yes Caroline -  I am 100% serious about Anthony being a serious suspect

[sherlock]

The passages are irrelevant.

If you know what you are talking about here then explain to the forum what those passages are about...

The truth is you do not have the beginning of a clue what they are about ...

So you simply do not know if they are relevant or not - do you Caroline ?

If you do know what those passages are about then tell us your interpretation here and now Caroline ...

[Stephanie]

Kaldin is puzzled by the Bible in this case ...

Let Kaldin look into it with an open mind with guidance from someone who understands those Psalms 

Ha ha sounds to me as if you are referring to your bias

[sherlock]

Yes.

Have you analysed the evidence to come to this conclusion ?

Or have you assumed that just because you think you know who did it ?

[Stephanie]

She's covered in wounds - which explode the myths that have been peddled for 30 years regarding her supposedly being in near perfect condition and only having two gunshot wounds.

She was the perpetrator.   Peter Vanezis, in collusion with the prosecution, concealed the existence of the wounds.  The same was done with June Bamber who has wounds to her right shin and lower left leg, her chin and probably her throat also.  All three adults have fight / defence wounds.  Jeremy has none and couldn't afford to sustain any (i.e. in any scenario where he is an inheritance killer).

Wow.... Are you okay Roch?

[sherlock]

Ha ha sounds to me as if you are referring to your bias

I have no bias - only theories ...

Can you name a more open minded member of this forum than me ?

My mind is open to every possibility ....

My knowledge of what those Psalms mean is not opinion - it is actual knowledge ...

Opinion can be swayed by bias - knowledge cannot be ....

[Stephanie]

yes 

You can believe that Jeremy killed his family for the inheritance - right ?

So why can you not believe that Anthony would have done the same ?

You can believe that Jeremy used deception to mislead people in the murders - right ?

So why can you not believe that Anthony could have used deception in the murders ? ....

They were more or less brothers - what is the difference between them in your opinion ?

Many people can do convincing imitations of others - why not Anthony ?

Why do you think Anthony could not have forced Neville at gunpoint to make the call ?

It is all too possible ...

Remember Anthony was there a week before checking and testing his rifle ....

He could have accessed the farmhouse at night just as easily as Jeremy could ....

Anthony did end up with a lot of the inheritance ...

Anthony could easily have been behind planting the silencer ...

Anthony and Robert knew Julie and the local Police and could have been behind her false statement ...

Why can you not see it is perfectly possible ?

Is it just because no one has suggested the possibility to you before ?

Maybe it contradicts your pre conceived idea of Anthony ?

But you know zero about Anthony ...

All any of us know is that he was an expert marksman who went and bought a nightclub in Ibiza with the inheritance money ....

And are you sure about where his rifle actually was ?

Many are sure he lied to the Police about his rifle and his silencer - why would he do that ?

So yes Caroline -  I am 00% serious about Anthony being a serious suspect

Ha ha ha ha