The Bible

[Adam]

Surely the silencer was easy to take off - didn't it unscrew? If he took the silencer off before he shot Sheila, her blood couldn't have been in it as you claim it was, or are you now claiming that he killed Sheila before he killed Nevill?

I don't know how to take off a silencer. Do you ?

He obviously shot Sheila with the silencer on. As with everyone else.

[Jane]

I'm also surprised that Jeremy let them go poking around. It was only days after the murders, and they apparently went there to take an inventory of some kind. The executor was also there. I wouldn't have let people in so quickly after such a tragedy, especially if I'd done it - not that I would do anything like that of course. If he killed the family for the money and the valuables, why let the family in to go through it all like that?

I think we must be careful not to compare what we think we'd do under given circumstances, with what Jeremy would do. What any of us would do is dependent on our individual backgrounds and our own psychology. Many of us here probably don't have it in us to commit murder -for gain- under any circumstances. I imagine it takes immense arrogance and self belief, along with a huge sense of entitlement to commit such a act. I think that describes Jeremy.

[Adam]

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,7715.msg363390.html#msg363390

Here is a thread on why Bamber put the silencer away.

[Kaldin]

Bamber was busy partying. I thought Basil Cock was Bamber's lawyer.

Basil Cock was the executor of the estate. What was he doing there with people who weren't beneficiaries?

If you had murdered five people, had your version accepted, and been left to it, would you not lock the house up and not anyone in?

David Boutflour said he went there to help his sister tidy up and to try to glean any information about the tragedy. He said Mr Cock arrived later.

[Kaldin]

I don't know how to take off a silencer. Do you ?

He obviously shot Sheila with the silencer on. As with everyone else.

So why not just leave the silencer next to her body?

As I said, doesn't a silencer just unscrew?

[Kaldin]

I think we must be careful not to compare what we think we'd do under given circumstances, with what Jeremy would do. What any of us would do is dependent on our individual backgrounds and our own psychology. Many of us here probably don't have it in us to commit murder -for gain- under any circumstances. I imagine it takes immense arrogance and self belief, along with a huge sense of entitlement to commit such a act. I think that describes Jeremy.

I get the impression that he wasn't that fond of his relatives though - they certainly didn't speak very highly of him.

[Adam]

Basil Cock was the executor of the estate. What was he doing there with people who weren't beneficiaries?

If you had murdered five people, had your version accepted, and been left to it, would you not lock the house up and not anyone in?

David Boutflour said he went there to help his sister tidy up and to try to glean any information about the tragedy. He said Mr Cox arrived later.

Stan Jones gave AE the keys & asked them to do a clean up. He's not going to ask Bamber as he was partying.

Basil Cock arrived later did he. The conspiracy thickens.

[Jane]

Basil Cock was the executor of the estate. What was he doing there with people who weren't beneficiaries?

If you had murdered five people, had your version accepted, and been left to it, would you not lock the house up and not anyone in?

David Boutflour said he went there to help his sister tidy up and to try to glean any information about the tragedy. He said Mr Cox arrived later.

It sounds very much as if, job done, Jeremy simply b******d off. As you say, HE was the beneficiary, but there were things which needed doing which he'd surely have been needed to oversee, apart from which, there was a family in shock and grieving, and probably not knowing what to do. Irrelevant of his feelings for them, it would have been courteous to be there with them, and some indication of what he was planning would have been useful.

[Jane]

So why not just leave the silencer next to her body?

As I said, doesn't a silencer just unscrew?

I'm having a vague memory of someone saying that the silencer having been put on cross thread at some point.

[David1819]

It sounds very much as if, job done, Jeremy simply b******d off. As you say, HE was the beneficiary, but there were things which needed doing which he'd surely have been needed to oversee, apart from which, there was a family in shock and grieving, and probably not knowing what to do. Irrelevant of his feelings for them, it would have been courteous to be there with them, and some indication of what he was planning would have been useful.

I can't beging to say what other peoples motives are, but personally I find it intrusive and distasteful to go through a deceased persons belongings. It seems to me that there is an irrevocable finality about it and should be left to closest family to be done in their time. It may be that Jeremy didn't feel able, at that time to undertake such an onerous task. However well meaning were his relatives, the task should have been left for such time he felt ready to do it.

[Kaldin]

Stan Jones gave AE the keys & asked them to do a clean up. He's not going to ask Bamber as he was partying.

Basil Cock arrived later did he. The conspiracy thickens.

Why was it up to Stan Jones to decide when the house should be tidied up? I think he was at Colin's that weekend - hardly partying really.

[lookout]

I'm having a vague memory of someone saying that the silencer having been put on cross thread at some point.

That was me when I said that Sheila had attempted to attach the silencer but would have cross-threaded it,so gave it up as a bad job. The silencer wasn't used in the shootings.

[Kaldin]

It sounds very much as if, job done, Jeremy simply b******d off. As you say, HE was the beneficiary, but there were things which needed doing which he'd surely have been needed to oversee, apart from which, there was a family in shock and grieving, and probably not knowing what to do. Irrelevant of his feelings for them, it would have been courteous to be there with them, and some indication of what he was planning would have been useful.

Did he even know they were going there? He was in London with Julie and Colin. Ann Eaton had the keys to the house.

[Adam]

Why was it up to Stan Jones to decide when the house should be tidied up? I think he was at Colin's that weekend - hardly partying really.

Stan Jones is a police man. He can make decisions.

Whereever Bamber was, he was whisking Julie around with him.

[Jane]

Did he even know they were going there? He was in London with Julie and Colin. Ann Eaton had the keys to the house.

As I said, it seems he simply b******d off. If he'd hung around to to let them know his intentions, they may not have thought it necessary to go.