The Bible

[Roch]

Hopefully Caroline will answer mine & David's questions.

No one is asking her to name names & risk libel action which she is concerned about.

Yes... there's been a distinct lack of libel action.  I doubt anybody among the police / relatives would be stupid enough to force case material in to a court via the back door.

[Adam]

Yes... there's been a distinct lack of libel action.  I doubt anybody among the police / relatives would be stupid enough to force case material in to a court via the back door.

I meant libel action against Caroline. She does not want to elaborate on the police fabricating the silencer due to a risk of libel action against her.

However mine & David's questions are not asking for any names.

[Roch]

I meant libel action against Caroline. She does not want to elaborate on the police fabricating the silencer due to a risk of libel action against her.

However mine & David's questions are not asking for any names.

I knew exactly what you meant.  Hence my response.

[Adam]

I knew exactly what you meant.  Hence my response.

Whatever. Hopefully Caroline will confirm whether she believes AE, PE, RB, BC & BW attended WHF for a tidy up. Just after the massacre. As well as answer the other questions.

[susan]

I don't know about that. The police and others sometimes go on other things - like demeanor, motive, and gut instinct.

Kaldin I agree police act on their gut instinct usually with some evidence of guilt in this case they had no evidence whatsoever and Taff Jones first senior detective on the scene was in no doubt he was looking at 4  murders and one suicide and this always sticks in my mind. Wonder what followed for Stan Jones & Co to change that to Jeremy being guilty of all the murders.

[Adam]

Kaldin I agree police act on their gut instinct usually with some evidence of guilt in this case they had no evidence whatsoever and Taff Jones first senior detective on the scene was in no doubt he was looking at 4  murders and one suicide and this always sticks in my mind. Wonder what followed for Stan Jones & Co to change that to Jeremy being guilty of all the murders.

You know there are over 50 pieces of forensic evidence. But appreciate you like to pretend there isn't.

What do you think of the bible being on Sheila's arm ? That could only have been put there by a third person. This is a new piece of evidence today.

[Kaldin]

Kaldin I agree police act on their gut instinct usually with some evidence of guilt in this case they had no evidence whatsoever and Taff Jones first senior detective on the scene was in no doubt he was looking at 4  murders and one suicide and this always sticks in my mind. Wonder what followed for Stan Jones & Co to change that to Jeremy being guilty of all the murders.

The silencer and the statement of Julie Mugford presumably. The silencer issue is the most difficult one to get past for anyone.

I would question though - was the gun really too long for Sheila to shoot herself with the silencer attached?

[Adam]

The silencer and the statement of Julie Mugford presumably. The silencer issue is the most difficult one to get past for anyone.

I would question though - was the gun really too long for Sheila to shoot herself with the silencer attached?

Have you not seen the 55 pieces of forensic evidence ? You helped create a new piece today.

[Jane]

The silencer and the statement of Julie Mugford presumably. The silencer issue is the most difficult one to get past for anyone.

I would question though - was the gun really too long for Sheila to shoot herself with the silencer attached?

At which point in the proceedings might she have felt it necessary to hide the silencer?

[lookout]

The silencer and the statement of Julie Mugford presumably. The silencer issue is the most difficult one to get past for anyone.

I would question though - was the gun really too long for Sheila to shoot herself with the silencer attached?

The silencer was never attached to the rifle when Sheila shot herself. As it was because of the length of the rifle,Sheila would have been lying down.

[Kaldin]

There are two issues re the silencer which caused the prosecution to decide it had been used. One was the red paint on it from under the mantelpiece, and the other was the presence of human blood which contained an enzyme which Sheila possessed. There have been attempts to discredit both of these issues with no success so far.

If Sheila could have reached with the silencer attached, there was no reason for Jeremy to put it back in the cupboard. Would he even have noticed at the time anyway?

[Jane]

There are two issues re the silencer which caused the prosecution to decide it had been used. One was the red paint on it from under the mantelpiece, and the other was the presence of human blood which contained an enzyme which Sheila possessed. There have been attempts to discredit both of these issues with no success so far.

If Sheila could have reached with the silencer attached, there was no reason for Jeremy to put it back in the cupboard. Would he even have noticed at the time anyway?

Now we're at the crux of the 30+year argument. If Sheila shot herself, Jeremy wasn't there, was he?

[Adam]

There are two issues re the silencer which caused the prosecution to decide it had been used. One was the red paint on it from under the mantelpiece, and the other was the presence of human blood which contained an enzyme which Sheila possessed. There have been attempts to discredit both of these issues with no success so far.

If Sheila could have reached with the silencer attached, there was no reason for Jeremy to put it back in the cupboard. Would he even have noticed at the time anyway?

Obviously you've seen the other forensic evidence.

Bamber would carry out the massacre with the silencer attached. He either knew beforehand or realised on the night that the rifle was too long for Sheila with the silencer attached.

Or Bamber took the silencer off prior to burning Nevill's back.

[Caroline]

You will never get invited for tea & cakes now. 

With who?

[Kaldin]

Now we're at the crux of the 30+year argument. If Sheila shot herself, Jeremy wasn't there, was he?

The real question is - was the silencer on the gun at any stage? The evidence suggests that it was, and yet there's something very foolish about Jeremy using the silencer and then taking it off because he realised Sheila couldn't reach with it attached. I've seen no evidence that she couldn't reach. Did they actually try it with her body?