The Bible

[Kaldin]

There is a thread about the likely dynamics - if you are interested.  The specific reasons are not likely to be advertised or recorded (since such an endeavour would have been criminal in itself). 

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8513.0.html

Thanks Roch - I'll read it in a while.

[Jane]

Ah, now I don't believe the police shot her. That would be absurd. I do think that someone needs to give a good reason as to why the police would want to stick Jeremy up.

I'm relieved to hear that. I have, on MANY occasions, requested that someone gives an intelligent reason as to why the police would wish to stitch Jeremy up. I'm still waiting. Thus far, reasons for his innocence being A) gut instinct, B) he's a "gorgeous fit boy who loved farming and his parents, have a slight edge over police shooting her TWICE and funny handshakes!!!

[Kaldin]

Well, if we're to take on board that many of those present had, possibly, not witness ONE murder, let alone FIVE in the same place, we may be closer to how it impacted on them. It MAY be, that because of the initial horror of what they were witnessing, they took "one person's words..................done and dusted". I feel very certain, that after they'd had time to reflect, they realized they'd been cheated.

But they did do some investigating re bullets, blood stains, etc. They just didn't go far enough.

[lookout]

Maybe because they,the police, weren't knowledgeable with the workings of a .22 semi-automatic rifle.

The fact that there were two shots and not just the one ? No-one can shoot themselves twice.
Had the second shot replaced the first one then there'd have been no case to answer.

Really and truthfully,I should be mystified by the first shot and not the second,although I've said that the first shot was a " mistake " and I haven't always believed it to have been self-inflcted as it isn't even a contact one which you'd expect if/when someone takes their own life.

[Jane]

But they did do some investigating re bullets, blood stains, etc. They just didn't go far enough.

It seems to me, there's a possibility that whatever procedures they went through were academic. I believe, for a while, they hung on to belief in the correctness of what they'd been told. Can you being to imagine how it might have felt, when the realization dawned that they'd got it wrong?!!!

[Kaldin]

It seems to me, there's a possibility that whatever procedures they went through were academic. I believe, for a while, they hung on to belief in the correctness of what they'd been told. Can you being to imagine how it might have felt, when the realization dawned that they'd got it wrong?!!!

I imagine they felt highly embarrassed, which is why I don't get why they would want to stitch Jeremy up rather than stick to their original theory.

[Caroline]

Are you going to elaborate on that Caroline?

I guess you could say that I believe that noble cause corruption occurred. I think certain things were engineered because they knew Bamber was guilty but were afraid that they didn't have enough on him without physical evidence.

[buddy]

I guess you could say that I believe that noble cause corruption occurred. I think certain things were engineered because they knew Bamber was guilty but were afraid that they didn't have enough on him without physical evidence.

That's honest of you Caroline. I did start a thread on Noble Cause corruption.
The problem is that sometimes we can be completely wrong on this.
I think we have all had times when we think that someone is a good person, and then found out that they were complete wankers. Likewise we had thought some as wankers, and turned out to be okay.
The family thought that JB was a complete wanker, but imo they were wrong.

[Adam]

I guess you could say that I believe that noble cause corruption occurred. I think certain things were engineered because they knew Bamber was guilty but were afraid that they didn't have enough on him without physical evidence.

Why do you think the police asked the relatives to lie in their WS's & say they found the silencer ?

The police could have used the 50+ other pieces of forensic evidence as justification for returning to WHF to do further searches. Finding the silencer in the process.

All other guilters believe the relatives found one piece of evidence which they passed to the police. It does happen.

[Adam]

The police must have decided early on to fabricate the silencer. Although Taff Jones wasn't budging. The silencer was found soon after the massacre.

Don't know why the police couldn't say they found the silencer after further searches. Rather than get PE, RB, AE, BW & BC to lie & say they all went to WHF for a tidy up.

[Roch]

I guess you could say that I believe that noble cause corruption occurred. I think certain things were engineered because they knew Bamber was guilty but were afraid that they didn't have enough on him without physical evidence.

You will never get invited for tea & cakes now.   

[David1819]

I guess you could say that I believe that noble cause corruption occurred. I think certain things were engineered because they knew Bamber was guilty but were afraid that they didn't have enough on him without physical evidence.

If they knew he was guilty they would not have had to engineer anything because they must have seen such evidence in order to know he was guilty in the first place.

[Roch]

If they knew he was guilty they would not have had to engineer anything because they must have seen such evidence in order to know he was guilty in the first place.

If you have to create evidence to lock somebody away for a crime - what's the chance that the reason there was insufficient evidence in the first place... was because they didn't commit the crime?  It's not exactly nuclear physics 

I mean where do you draw the line? 

[Adam]

Hopefully Caroline will answer mine & David's questions.

No one is asking her to name names & risk libel action which she is concerned about.

[Kaldin]

If they knew he was guilty they would not have had to engineer anything because they must have seen such evidence in order to know he was guilty in the first place.

I don't know about that. The police and others sometimes go on other things - like demeanor, motive, and gut instinct.