The Bible

[Roch]

How did Hitler manage to dupe the majority of the German population?

That's hardly the best comparison Jane, to be fair.

[Roch]

The police should never take anyone's word for anything. They were criticised later.

What if they incorrectly accepted criticism - on the basis that it was the lesser of two evils?  Let the people thinks something is this or that (regardless of the fact that we know it isn't).

[Kaldin]

If they were trying to conceal the blood stain... then the displaying of the bloodstain within crime scene photography was probably not conducive to the police version of events within the farmhouse.

I think any person has to ask - is it purely concidence - that the ostentatious position of the bible just happens to virtually cover the bloodstain in question?

I see no reason why they would want to conceal the bloodstain. However, if the blood stain on the Bible came from that stain, that's not coincidence. That's why it's important to know where the blood stain came from in the first place.

[Kaldin]

What if they incorrectly accepted criticism - on the basis that it was the lesser of two evils?  Let the people thinks something is this or that (regardless of the fact that we know it isn't).

What do you mean? Do you mean that they did investigate thoroughly and suppressed evidence, including photographic and blood evidence?

[Roch]

What do you mean? Do you mean that they did investigate thoroughly and suppressed evidence, including photographic and blood evidence?

Sort of.  Being incorrectly criticised for their stance and direction at the outset - was the price they had to pay for stitching up Jeremy Bamber.  Perhaps the significance of the bloodstain is more than what you currently think?

[Jane]

The police should never take anyone's word for anything. They were criticised later.

That magic word "should", Kaldin!! Never mind about SHOULD, things are or aren't a certain way. The police may be no less susceptible to scams -under some circumstances- than are the rest of us.

[Jane]

That's hardly the best comparison Jane, to be fair.

Nonetheless, it's an excellent example of what I was attempting to describe what is possible.

[Kaldin]

Sort of.  Being incorrectly criticised for their stance and direction at the outset - was the price they had to pay for stitching up Jeremy Bamber.  Perhaps the significance of the bloodstain is more than what you currently think?

I've never understood why they would want to stitch up Jeremy. I would have thought it more likely they would want to stick to the original theory that Sheila killed them all.

The bloodstain is highly significant for a variety of reasons.

[Jane]

I've never understood why they would want to stitch up Jeremy. I would have thought it more likely they would want to stick to the original theory that Sheila killed them all.

The bloodstain is highly significant for a variety of reasons.

Neither has anyone else here who believes Jeremy guilty. The best that been touted is that they needed to cover up the fact that police shot Sheila.....................TWICE!

[Roch]

Nonetheless, it's an excellent example of what I was attempting to describe what is possible.

I think what you are trying to argue is that the police were stupid, unprofessional and ignored all of their training and experience.  From senior detectives to SOCO's and beyond.  They simply decided to take one person's word and that was it - done and dusted.  Even when the victim had a bible placed accross her in a manner which was physically impossible for her to do herself and had two gunshot wounds in addition...  and apparently had no wounds elsewhere.

As Johnny Rotten once said 'ever get the feeling you've been cheated?'

The police are not that stupid and incompetent  Not en masse. 

[lookout]

I think one and all thought that this case had been buried along with the family.

[Kaldin]

Neither has anyone else here who believes Jeremy guilty. The best that been touted is that they needed to cover up the fact that police shot Sheila.....................TWICE!

Ah, now I don't believe the police shot her. That would be absurd. I do think that someone needs to give a good reason as to why the police would want to stitch Jeremy up.

[Jane]

I think what you are trying to argue is that the police were stupid, unprofessional and ignored all of their training and experience.  From senior detectives to SOCO's and beyond.  They simply decided to take one person's word and that was it - done and dusted.  Even when the victim had a bible placed accross her in a manner which was physically impossible for her to do herself and had two gunshot wounds in addition...  and apparently had no wounds elsewhere.

As Johnny Rotten once said 'ever get the feeling you've been cheated?'

The police are not that stupid and incompetent  Not en masse.

Well, if we're to take on board that many of those present had, possibly, not witness ONE murder, let alone FIVE in the same place, we may be closer to how it impacted on them. It MAY be, that because of the initial horror of what they were witnessing, they took "one person's words..................done and dusted". I feel very certain, that after they'd had time to reflect, they realized they'd been cheated.

[buddy]

Neither has anyone else here who believes Jeremy guilty. The best that been touted is that they needed to cover up the fact that police shot Sheila.....................TWICE!

That's just not true Jane. I have never believed that the police shot Sheila once, let alone twice.
It was the family that changed the course of the investigation, and the cops were duped, but not Taff.
The police were led to believe that the family did not stand to gain from JB being convicted, so were the jury, and that is a fact. Sorry for going off topic.

[Roch]

Ah, now I don't believe the police shot her. That would be absurd. I do think that someone needs to give a good reason as to why the police would want to stick Jeremy up.

There is a thread about the likely dynamics - if you are interested.  The specific reasons are not likely to be advertised or recorded (since such an endeavour would have been criminal in itself). 

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8513.0.html