Maxine Carr/Julie Mugford. Differences.

[Jane]

It's no use Lookout, The JM lovers will continue to make excuses for her. She knew from day one for F---s sake, and said nothing. Unless of course she knew nothing, and decided to frame JB.

Buddy, I'm no one's "lover"and I'm certainly NOT making excuses for her. As characters, both Julie and Jeremy leave much to be desired. NOTHING in this world -other than dead/alive, pregnant/not pregnant- is as simple as black/white.

[Adam]

i dont see how this thread is even vaguely relvant to the bamber case you can find simlariates in any murder if you look hard enough.


if the only you can make somone look guilty is to try and compare them with ian huntley thats shows you havent got a very good case.

Other supporters compared Julie to Maxine Carr. Lookout even compared Julie to Myra Hindley & Rose West. Which is rather revolting.

This thread has shown the best the police could have got with Julie was a 3 month suspended sentence. This would have been negated by the police losing their main witness in a 5x massacre trial against Bamber.

The claim that Julie should have been prosecuted for not approaching the police on day one has been dismissed.

[ngb1066]

This thread has shown the best the police could have got with Julie was a 3 month suspended sentence.

No it has not. 

[Jane]

I don't think anyone on this site does love her, but at 20 years old aren't you entitled to love and want to be loved back..

Absolutely Steve. I defy ANY of these "holier than thou" types -who have NEVER, allegedly, in their lives got anything morally wrong- to go back to being 20, being hopelessly in love and being insecure enough to stand on their heads and turn themselves inside out to try to make their idol love them back. If anyone watched the Diana programme last night they'll have seen it in action.

[buddy]

I don't think anyone on this site does love her, but at 20 years old aren't you entitled to love and want to be loved back..

Why do people keep on about her age.? She knew right from wrong even if she was ten. She was
intelligent  enough to  train to be a teacher. Stop making lame excuses please.

[Adam]

No it has not.

Yes it has. Read the thread.

Maxine Carr spent 18 months in prison. What she did was a lot worse than what Julie did.

The police had to focus on getting justice for a shocking 5x murder where the accused was pleading 'not guilty".

Just getting a 3 month suspended sentence on Julie & Bamber getting away with murder would not be acceptable. 

[Jane]

Why do people keep on about her age.? She knew right from wrong even if she was ten. She was
intelligent  enough to  train to be a teacher. Stop making lame excuses please.

Since when did intelligence have anything to do with desire? MOST ten year olds know right from wrong but I believe there may be more that have pinched the odd thing than haven't.

[buddy]

Absolutely Steve. I defy ANY of these "holier than thou" types -who have NEVER, allegedly, in their lives got anything morally wrong- to go back to being 20, being hopelessly in love and being insecure enough to stand on their heads and turn themselves inside out to try to make their idol love them back. If anyone watched the Diana programme last night they'll have seen it in action.

I certainly am not holier than thou at all, but I can assure you that I knew right from wrong at a very early age hence I have never been in trouble with the law, unless you count riding two on a bike which I got bollocked for.

[buddy]

Since when did intelligence have anything to do with desire? MOST ten year olds know right from wrong but I believe there may be more that have pinched the odd thing than haven't.

Thjat makes no sense at all. We are talking murder here not sexual gratification.

[Adam]

I certainly am not holier than thou at all, but I can assure you that I knew right from wrong at a very early age hence I have never been in trouble with the law, unless you count riding two on a bike which I got bollocked for.

What did Julie do wrong in the case.  Apart from wait 20 days before betraying Bamber ? Which is perhaps worthy of a 3 month suspended sentence.

Don't bring up unrelated crimes EP knew nothing about. 

[buddy]

Tell me Jane/ Steve would you cover for a murderer if you were in love?

[Jane]

I certainly am not holier than thou at all, but I can assure you that I knew right from wrong at a very early age hence I have never been in trouble with the law, unless you count riding two on a bike which I got bollocked for.

As did I. Believe me, the threats I received for daring to go off the rails were FAR worse than the consequences would have been, however, it DID keep me on the straight and narrow. Now what we're BOTH saying is that parental rules were the law and they were drummed into us. MAYBE Julie didn't receive those guidelines? MAYBE Julie was lead to believe that not getting caught was the most important thing? MAYBE, when faced with temptation, Julie didn't have correct moral compass to cope.

[Jane]

Thjat makes no sense at all. We are talking murder here not sexual gratification.

No Buddy, I'm NOT talking sexual gratification. I'm talking about desire. They're not always the same thing.

[maggie]

Why do people keep on about her age.? She knew right from wrong even if she was ten. She was
intelligent  enough to  train to

We would expect her to know right from wrong but she really didn't seem to.
Imo she seemed to lack the ability to make good choices which makes me wonder about her.
Also makes me wonder about her Mother and Father and Stepfather.  I have always felt JM lacked morals/boundaries. 
It would be interesting to know more about her because we really don't know much at all about her background  and personality.

[Jane]

Tell me Jane/ Steve would you cover for a murderer if you were in love?

Certainly, I don't believe I would now. At 20? Insecure? Desperate for the person I loved to love me? Terrified I'd lose him if I didn't go along with his plans? DESPERATE to get away from parents? I MAY have done whatever I thought it would take. I can't put my hand on my heart and say I wouldn't have covered.............but I'd have cracked, anyway. I couldn't have lived with the lie.