tonights the night.

[Jan]

I agree with Jan.

The relatives had gone to Peter Simpson & may have spoken to Julie, CC, BW etc on the phone - the tip off.

Julie had already spoken to 5 people & wanted to 'save her skin' by going to the police & telling them what she knew. Which she should have done earlier.

OR she was tipped off by the family that Jeremy was in the frame started blabbing some information she was fed , was shopped by her friend and then lied to suit the scene and save her skin .

You have your opinion I have mine .

[Adam]

If Julie was not tipped off, there is still the liklihood she would want to 'save her skin'.

She won't know what the police were doing, but decided to tell them what she knew anyway. To prevent punishment if Bamber was ever charged. Morally it's also the right thing to do.

Her prior minor crimes are irrelevent.

[maggie]

But this is tied in with the noble cause argument in that the greater public good was to put Bamber behind bars, just as in the 3 Musketeers case it was to prevent an atrocity on the scale of the Manchester Arena bombing.

I cannot agree with NCC , the whole point of the legal system is to be objective and above board.  We cannot have all and sundry deciding its ok to set traps or plant evidence because they have decided someone is guilty. It already does happen but it should never be acceptable.

[Jan]

If Julie was not tipped off, there is still the liklihood she would want to 'save her skin'.

She won't know what the police were doing, but decided to tell them what she knew anyway. To prevent punishment if Bamber was ever charged. Morally it's also the right thing to do.

Her prior minor crimes are irrelevent.

But not telling the police straight away he was the murderer is ok then ? Perhaps if he is guilty she thought she was in for a good life with Jeremy , being rich and travelling the world . That makes it ok then .

[Adam]

I also agree with Jan that Julie wanted to save her own skin.

It is ridiculous to suggest she approached the police as she wanted to prevent prosecution on her minor crimes from months & years ago. The police knew nothing about these & never would have found out.

After understandably not telling the police on day 1, she went to them & sung like a canary after telling 5 friends. This is much better than the police approaching her & coercing information.

Bamber is guilty & Julie saved her own skin.

[Jan]

I cannot agree with NCC , the whole point of the legal system is to be objective and above board.  We cannot have all and sundry deciding its ok to set traps or plant evidence because they have decided someone is guilty. It already does happen but it should never be acceptable.

 I agree which is why independent forensic labs are mush better  plus recorded interviews etc.

And sometimes planting evidence can in fact have the opposite affect and cause a trial to collapse.

I hate vunerable persons being used as well .

Such as making of a murderer . Shocking

[Steve_uk]

I cannot agree with NCC , the whole point of the legal system is to be objective and above board.  We cannot have all and sundry deciding its ok to set traps or plant evidence because they have decided someone is guilty. It already does happen but it should never be acceptable.

But the legal system is not consistent-just look at how the highest solicitor in the land, Peter Goldsmith, changed his advice to Cabinet in the run up to the Iraq war. If MI5 were under the control of responsible ministers there might be more control and accountability.  I don't support a blanket ban on the practice.

[Adam]

A lot has been agreed in the last few minutes.

Julie may have been tipped off that the police knew what Julie knew. That Bamber was guilty.

Julie had already told 5 people what she knew. And knew it was much better to approach the police now than do nothing. Better late than never.

There is no way Julie approached the police to stop prosecution for her minor crimes from months & years ago, as suggested.  EP were never going to find out about these.

If she had not been tipped off, there is still a strong chance she would approach the police. Morally she may feel it was the right thing to do &  had already told 5 people.

[Adam]

What is certain is the only way Julie was saving her own skin, was because she knew Bamber was guilty.

Approaching the police if Bamber was innocent would be psychotic.

[Steve_uk]

A lot has been agreed in the last few minutes.

Julie may have been tipped off that the police knew what Julie knew. That Bamber was guilty.

Julie had already told 5 people what she knew. And knew it was much better to approach the police now than do nothing. Better late than never.

There is no way Julie approached the police to stop prosecution for her minor crimes from months & years ago. EP were never going to find out about these.

If she had not been tipped off, there is still a strong chance she would approach the police. She had already told 5 people.

I don't really understand Julie but maybe she hung around because she thought Jeremy needed her-after all he'd told her that at Pevensey. I think in retrospect the relationship was shattered after the second telephone call.

[Adam]

I don't really understand Julie but maybe she hung around because she thought Jeremy needed her-after all he'd told her that at Pevensey. I think in retrospect the relationship was shattered after the second telephone call.

She didn't hang around Bamber. He whisked her to WHF & then here, there & everywhere. Often pleading with Julie to accompany him.

Anyway the 200+ pieces of forensic & circumstantial evidence shows Bamber is guilty.

Julie's lateness in approaching the police after telling 5 people shows she may well have been saving her own skin knowing Bamber was guilty. As well as believing it was the right thing to do.

[Jan]

She didn't hang around Bamber. He whisked her to WHF & then here, there & everywhere. Often pleading with Julie to accompany him.

Anyway the forensic & circumstantial evidence shows Bamber is guilty.

Julie's lateness in approaching the police after telling 5 people shows she may well have been saving her own skin. As well as believing it was the right thing to do.

 Or she was actually a naive person and did not go to the police because she had no idea he was guilty .

[Adam]

Or she was actually a naive person and did not go to the police because she had no idea he was guilty .

I don't quite follow.

She had no idea Bamber was guilty, but told 5 people. Then decided to approach the police & give a false WS a month after the massacre ?

How is that 'saving her skin' ?

[Steve_uk]

She didn't hang around Bamber. He whisked her to WHF & then here, there & everywhere. Often pleading with Julie to accompany him.

Anyway the 200+ pieces of forensic & circumstantial evidence shows Bamber is guilty.

Julie's lateness in approaching the police after telling 5 people shows she may well have been saving her own skin knowing Bamber was guilty. As well as believing it was the right thing to do.

I was referring to the incident one Saturday afternoon at Moreshead Mansions when she was left waiting on the doorstep for Jeremy and Brett to return from a shopping trip. It was evident that he didn't need her anymore, the love had gone for whatever reason and it was time to go their separate ways.

[Jan]

I don't quite follow.

She had no idea Bamber was guilty, but told 5 people. Then decided to approach the police & give a false WS a month after the massacre ?

How is that 'saving her skin' ?

There were lots of conversations going on between family police and friends that were not recorded . We don't know everything in detail . Even Colin got told by mistake what was happening when Jeremy got arrested by the family and not the police . Work it out .