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Offline Adam

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« Reply #15 on: August 03, 2017, 06:28:PM »
Yes and she mentioned what the call at 10 was about . So she lied .

She didn't lie. She gave a 2 page statement after Bamber had rang her 3 times in 7 hours & told her 'not to go work' as she was being whisked to WHF.  Which I assume was again Julie's fault.

She gave a more detailed WS a month later.
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« Reply #16 on: August 03, 2017, 06:48:PM »
Interestingly enough. In July of 1985 (weeks before the murders) a disco dance song was released called "tonight's the night"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEn9bqOy7zw

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« Reply #17 on: August 03, 2017, 06:55:PM »
Interestingly enough. In July of 1985 (weeks before the murders) a disco dance song was released called "tonight's the night"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEn9bqOy7zw

Perhaps RBW wrote it in anticipation of the murders  ::)
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Re: tonights the night.
« Reply #18 on: August 03, 2017, 06:57:PM »
Interestingly enough. In July of 1985 (weeks before the murders) a disco dance song was released called "tonight's the night"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEn9bqOy7zw

are yes there was i rember now.

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« Reply #19 on: August 03, 2017, 09:02:PM »
She didn't lie. She gave a 2 page statement after Bamber had rang her 3 times in 7 hours & told her 'not to go work' as she was being whisked to WHF.  Which I assume was again Julie's fault.

She gave a more detailed WS a month later.


She did lie. She said what he spoke about in the first call .


Then it changed from not mentioning his family to talking about the crime


That is not missing things out " he did not mention his family again"


Really ?


I was at my home in Lewisham when Jeremy phoned me about 10pm.
He said to me ‘ Hi honey’ I’ve just phoned up to ask how you are. I said to him I have had a wonderful day at work and that I was really happy and I wanted to make him happy. I asked him how his day had been and he said ‘ As best as can be expected’ as he had spent all day on the tractor; …???… it had been sunny and he had spent all day inside. I assume that he meant he was inside the cab of the tractor all day.
I said to him ‘you sound pissed off’. He said I have been thinking on the tractor and the crime will have to be tonight or never. I told him not to be so stupid and that he was only saying this because he had had a bad day on the tractor. He also told me that he had only just got back from work and had had supper with his parents and Sheila and the twins and that was why he late in phoning me.
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« Reply #20 on: August 03, 2017, 09:14:PM »
Bamber's highly paid defence went through Julie's 19 WS's brick by brick. Looking for a brick they could pull out to bring everything crashing down.

However they could not find anything. Admitting to each other her WS had a 'ring of truth' to it.

Out of desperation, at trial the defence focused on the 1984 minor cheque book fraud. To try to show her as a dishonest person. The judge rightly poured scorn on this saying both Bamber & Julie had committed previous crimes, but that does not mean either had lied at trial. He also said Julie had paid back the money ( Bamber had not). Bamber had also trusted Julie enough to tell her about the caravan break in, so may have trusted her enough to tell her about the massacre.

Julies WS is in different parts -


What happened after the massacre

The eating out, hotels, trips around the country and abroad. There is no point in Julie lying here. A lot of other people joined them for some of these. Hotel bookings can be checked and relatives asked. So there was no reason to lie as everything can be easily checked.

What Bamber did does not highlight guilt or innocence anyway. Although Bamber's callous actions have come back to haunt him


Bamber's hatred & resentment:

This could be her word against Bamber's. But was not.

Bamber himself testified he had a very poor/non existent relationship with June.

He also called Sheila a 'nutter', 'looney', 'do lally' & 'pychotic depressive' on the massacre night. Saying they did not like each other and she had committed child abuse on the twins. Decades later saying he did not understand her illness.

There are also a lot of other people who said Bamber did not like his family or the raw deal he had. The facts back this up, Sheila living rent free in London, Bamber working long hours after reluctantly starting to work on the farm as a last resort.


The massacre plans

This is again Julies word against Bamber's. However some of the things Julie said are backed up.

She said he planned to ride to WHF. This is backed up by the fact that the bike was brought over just before the massacre.

Julie also knew about the bible and kitchen fight. Which was not reported in the papers. And knew about the lockable from outside window.

The judge and appeal courts found it hard to understand Bamber's 3am call to Julie. Julie saying Bamber said 'he had not slept all night' and 'everything is going well'. When the police asked him about the call, he just said 'no comment'.

Julie also knew about the under insurance of WHF and the items inside.


Julie's feelings

Her feelings while things were evolving can only be changed by Julie herself, and cannot be disputed.

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Overall Julie's statement does have a 'ring of truth' to it. She approached the police after speaking to 5 people and was not forced to say anything.

Her reason to lie was also the weakest possible. Bamber allegedly jilting her, after he said their relationship had been in decline/coming to a close for six months. Julie being devastated & psychotic.

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« Reply #21 on: August 03, 2017, 09:16:PM »
I know Bamber's supporters have to go after everything. Complaining about a 2 page WS made hours after the massacre, is another dead end.
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« Reply #22 on: August 03, 2017, 09:21:PM »

She did lie. She said what he spoke about in the first call .


Then it changed from not mentioning his family to talking about the crime


That is not missing things out " he did not mention his family again"


Really ?


I was at my home in Lewisham when Jeremy phoned me about 10pm.
He said to me ‘ Hi honey’ I’ve just phoned up to ask how you are. I said to him I have had a wonderful day at work and that I was really happy and I wanted to make him happy. I asked him how his day had been and he said ‘ As best as can be expected’ as he had spent all day on the tractor; …???… it had been sunny and he had spent all day inside. I assume that he meant he was inside the cab of the tractor all day.
I said to him ‘you sound pissed off’. He said I have been thinking on the tractor and the crime will have to be tonight or never. I told him not to be so stupid and that he was only saying this because he had had a bad day on the tractor. He also told me that he had only just got back from work and had had supper with his parents and Sheila and the twins and that was why he late in phoning me.

Initially she did lie, she lied for him or rather she left out things that tied him to the murders.
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« Reply #23 on: August 03, 2017, 09:29:PM »
when jeremy i supposed to have phoned mugford and said tonights surely as his confidant in more or less everything she knows that allready so why would he need to phone her and tell her.

alsothe words tonights the night doesnt that imply he hasnt comited the crime yet.

Back to the thread question.

I've no idea what Nugs is trying to say. However Bamber rang Julie for the first time in 3 days at 10pm to say 'tonights the night'.



« Last Edit: August 03, 2017, 09:36:PM by Adam »
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« Reply #24 on: August 03, 2017, 09:41:PM »
when jeremy i supposed to have phoned mugford and said tonights surely as his confidant in more or less everything she knows that allready so why would he need to phone her and tell her.

alsothe words tonights the night doesnt that imply he hasnt comited the crime yet.

It was the 10 o'clock call so apparently he would be committing the crime later . So in her second statement he is supposedly clearly telling her he is going to carry out the murders that he had been planning and allegedly telling her about for a long time . Crimes with drugs cyanide or burning . She said at one stage she could understand him killing his parents but not the twins . So that contradicts her not believing him as well .


So she knew the date and then in the second call she knew he had done it .

Don't know what to say really .

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« Reply #25 on: August 03, 2017, 10:01:PM »
so if that that 10pm call happend she had time to call the police and stop it happening but she chose not wich would make her an acomplice in law.

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« Reply #26 on: August 03, 2017, 10:13:PM »
so if that that 10pm call happend she had time to call the police and stop it happening but she chose not wich would make her an acomplice in law.
Nugs that is right if this is all true she could have prevented these murders she should be serving time as well.

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« Reply #27 on: August 03, 2017, 10:22:PM »
so if that that 10pm call happend she had time to call the police and stop it happening but she chose not wich would make her an acomplice in law.

Or it was not true .

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« Reply #28 on: August 03, 2017, 10:27:PM »
so if that that 10pm call happend she had time to call the police and stop it happening but she chose not wich would make her an acomplice in law.

She was Bamber's girlfriend & didn't think he was serious.

I understand there had been no previous instances of a son murdering his mother, father, sister & two nephews in Essex. At least not in the previous week.

If she rang the police Bamber would 'jilt her'. Which Julie was apparently despatate to avoid. After all Bamber said she's lying because he did 'jilt her'.
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« Reply #29 on: August 03, 2017, 10:35:PM »
Julief had not heard from Bamber since Sunday.

Bamber had just been to supper & seen that everyone was at WHF & Sheila was zonked out.

He rang Julie at 10pm to say 'tonights the night'.

Five hours later he rang her to say 'Everything is going well'.

Two hours later he rang her to say 'don't go to work. A police car is coming to pick you up'.

Not sure what is so hard to believe here.

Bamber agrees he phoned Julie these three times.

Bamber ringing Julie for the first time in 3 days, at 10pm, obviously shows he wanted to tell her something. Unfortunately only Julie remembers what they spoke about.  Bamber can't remember. 

Bamber ringing Julie at 3am obviously shows Bamber wanted to tell Julie something else. Julie has given details. Bamber has just said 'no comment'.

Bamber ringing Julie (again) at 5pm was obviously to say 'don't go to work. A police car is coming to pick you up'. As that is exactly what happened. Again Bamber couldn't remember what he said.
« Last Edit: August 03, 2017, 10:41:PM by Adam »
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