Lights On Off at the WHF

[Alias]

There are differing accounts of whether the lights were turned on or off at the WHF.
For instance, officer Bews claims that the lights were out in the room upstairs they thought they saw movement in. Jeremy on the other hand claims that the room was brightly lit (his words).
Which was it? Is there any documentation about what rooms were lit and which were not? I would REALLY like to see it!

I think it could be significant.
The killer would have needed to switch on lights to see his/her targets, both in the twins´ room and in June and Nevill´s. I don´t know about Sheila´s room, since I don´t know whether she killed her family - and I don´t know what the killer (from outside) did with Sheila while killing the rest of the family.
Did the killer switch off the lights again in the boys´ room and the main bedroom after the killings???
If Sheila killed herself, the lights would have to be on, right?
OK she could (I have a hard time believing that, but it is not absolutely impossible) have shot herself in the kitchen, where we know the lights were on, then later at dawn have shot herself again in the upstairs bedroom not needing artificial light.
I hope this isn´t too confusing - it can be difficult to express exactly what I want to say in English, but I really think it could tell us a lot if we knew where the lights were on and where they were off.

[Paul]

There are differing accounts of whether the lights were turned on or off at the WHF.
For instance, officer Bews claims that the lights were out in the room upstairs they thought they saw movement in. Jeremy on the other hand claims that the room was brightly lit (his words).
Which was it? Is there any documentation about what rooms were lit and which were not? I would REALLY like to see it!

I think it could be significant.
The killer would have needed to switch on lights to see his/her targets, both in the twins´ room and in June and Nevill´s. I don´t know about Sheila´s room, since I don´t know whether she killed her family - and I don´t know what the killer (from outside) did with Sheila while killing the rest of the family.
Did the killer switch off the lights again in the boys´ room and the main bedroom after the killings???
If Sheila killed herself, the lights would have to be on, right?
OK she could (I have a hard time believing that, but it is not absolutely impossible) have shot herself in the kitchen, where we know the lights were on, then later at dawn have shot herself again in the upstairs bedroom not needing artificial light.
I hope this isn´t too confusing - it can be difficult to express exactly what I want to say in English, but I really think it could tell us a lot if we knew where the lights were on and where they were off.

Very well put abs. The lights also impact on theory of Sheila washing herself.

[Alias]

There are differing accounts of whether the lights were turned on or off at the WHF.
For instance, officer Bews claims that the lights were out in the room upstairs they thought they saw movement in. Jeremy on the other hand claims that the room was brightly lit (his words).
Which was it? Is there any documentation about what rooms were lit and which were not? I would REALLY like to see it!

I think it could be significant.
The killer would have needed to switch on lights to see his/her targets, both in the twins´ room and in June and Nevill´s. I don´t know about Sheila´s room, since I don´t know whether she killed her family - and I don´t know what the killer (from outside) did with Sheila while killing the rest of the family.
Did the killer switch off the lights again in the boys´ room and the main bedroom after the killings???
If Sheila killed herself, the lights would have to be on, right?
OK she could (I have a hard time believing that, but it is not absolutely impossible) have shot herself in the kitchen, where we know the lights were on, then later at dawn have shot herself again in the upstairs bedroom not needing artificial light.
I hope this isn´t too confusing - it can be difficult to express exactly what I want to say in English, but I really think it could tell us a lot if we knew where the lights were on and where they were off.

Very well put abs. The lights also impact on theory of Sheila washing herself.

Thanks. Yes, that too.

[Paul]

The lights are key to many things, afterall, theres only so much that can be done in the dark.

Still puzzles me that if the room was brightly lit that Bamber saw the adult person in the window of, that he can't offer any more of a description of that person.

[andrea]

The lights are key to many things, afterall, theres only so much that can be done in the dark.

Still puzzles me that if the room was brightly lit that Bamber saw the adult person in the window of, that he can't offer any more of a description of that person.

true luap. even if it was a child or adult he must have gained more than just a "figure" crossing the window.

[Paul]

The lights are key to many things, afterall, theres only so much that can be done in the dark.

Still puzzles me that if the room was brightly lit that Bamber saw the adult person in the window of, that he can't offer any more of a description of that person.

true luap. even if it was a child or adult he must have gained more than just a "figure" crossing the window.

Thanks andrea, that's basically what I've been droning on about for a while now.

[andrea]

well its like you said paul, man, woman, child or adult, long hair short hair he must have seen more than just a figure.he must have been able to make something out

[shonapugs]

But didn't the fat bloke say that it was a refection of moonlight on the window? I'm starting to forget what I've previously read. JB says lights on, police say lights off?

[shonapugs]

Sorry, sorry, everyone. Abs has already answered this. I must have had a smite to the head.

[clifford]

well its like you said paul, man, woman, child or adult, long hair short hair he must have seen more than just a figure.he must have been able to make something out

When the police looked through the kitchen they reported seeing the body of a women.When they got in it turned out to be a male.
As for telling if the figure was male or female i suppose it would depend on how long this person was in view,and wether this person was stooping or upright. Assuming this person knew the police were outside I would think they stooped to pass the window.
In Bewes account of this he said it was Myall who saw movement. He did not report that Jeremy saw this,but he may of done so.
When he goes on to say that they decided it was a trick of the light I find it hard to understand how a trick of the light moved from one side of the window to the other'

[grahameb]

well its like you said paul, man, woman, child or adult, long hair short hair he must have seen more than just a figure.he must have been able to make something out

When the police looked through the kitchen they reported seeing the body of a women.When they got in it turned out to be a male.
As for telling if the figure was male or female i suppose it would depend on how long this person was in view,and wether this person was stooping or upright. Assuming this person knew the police were outside I would think they stooped to pass the window.
In Bewes account of this he said it was Myall who saw movement. He did not report that Jeremy saw this,but he may of done so.
When he goes on to say that they decided it was a trick of the light I find it hard to understand how a trick of the light moved from one side of the window to the other'

The answer lies in the words "They decided". Who decided? Sometimes as we remember back to something we saw and decided that it must have been such and such, over the time an image builds up in our minds that it was was we decided what it must have been. The question is who is right? Jeremy or the cops?

[clifford]

well its like you said paul, man, woman, child or adult, long hair short hair he must have seen more than just a figure.he must have been able to make something out

When the police looked through the kitchen they reported seeing the body of a women.When they got in it turned out to be a male.
As for telling if the figure was male or female i suppose it would depend on how long this person was in view,and wether this person was stooping or upright. Assuming this person knew the police were outside I would think they stooped to pass the window.
In Bewes account of this he said it was Myall who saw movement. He did not report that Jeremy saw this,but he may of done so.
When he goes on to say that they decided it was a trick of the light I find it hard to understand how a trick of the light moved from one side of the window to the other'

The answer lies in the words "They decided". Who decided? Sometimes as we remember back to something we saw and decided that it must have been such and such, over the time an image builds up in our minds that it was was we decided what it must have been. The question is who is right? Jeremy or the cops?

I understand what you are saying Grahame. In the interview with Bewes he was not very convincing.
He also stated the silencer was found two weeks after the murders.
When he says we decided it was a trick of the light, it could have meant himself and Myall.
Pity Myall has not given his views.
Trouble is the business about the light was not pursued at JBs trial, mind you his defence team did nt pursue a lot of things at trial.

[grahameb]

well its like you said paul, man, woman, child or adult, long hair short hair he must have seen more than just a figure.he must have been able to make something out

When the police looked through the kitchen they reported seeing the body of a women.When they got in it turned out to be a male.
As for telling if the figure was male or female i suppose it would depend on how long this person was in view,and wether this person was stooping or upright. Assuming this person knew the police were outside I would think they stooped to pass the window.
In Bewes account of this he said it was Myall who saw movement. He did not report that Jeremy saw this,but he may of done so.
When he goes on to say that they decided it was a trick of the light I find it hard to understand how a trick of the light moved from one side of the window to the other'

The answer lies in the words "They decided". Who decided? Sometimes as we remember back to something we saw and decided that it must have been such and such, over the time an image builds up in our minds that it was was we decided what it must have been. The question is who is right? Jeremy or the cops?

I understand what you are saying Grahame. In the interview with Bewes he was not very convincing.
He also stated the silencer was found two weeks after the murders.
When he says we decided it was a trick of the light, it could have meant himself and Myall.
Pity Myall has not given his views.
Trouble is the business about the light was not pursued at JBs trial, mind you his defence team did nt pursue a lot of things at trial.

Now that I simply cannot understand? Because according to N he was a good barrister.

[grahameb]

Here is what the police logs say.

[grahameb]

just a side thought. The log says that they were in conversation with "a" person in the house. If there was no response why describe "a" person?