A New Approach

[Adam]

Says you, Adam but that is just your opinion.

I have to agree with much of Kaldin's reasoning and don't believe that means I am blaming JM more than JB. 

I have always found JM's behavour hard to get to grips with, I am aware that if JB is a psychopathic type of personality then he would have the ability to hypnotise/put her in a trance state.  This is what a true psychopath can do and she would be unaware of it happening. 

As we don't know if JB is a psychopath I cannot see how we can know for sure that this happened to JM but it is a possibility which has to be considered imo.

What reasoning ?

Kaldin just keeps repeating that she would have acted differently to Julie.

Apparently cut off from him from day one, not worn a veil at the funeral, acted differently when Bamber rang her at 3am, not identified the twins & not allowed herself to be whisked around by Bamber for 20 days.

It's good that someone can be so certain of what they would do at the age of 20 in a situation they have never been in before.

Not that Kaldin's different reactions overturns Bamber's conviction, represents everyone or means Julie is wrong. 

[Kaldin]

Says you, Adam but that is just your opinion.

I have to agree with much of Kaldin's reasoning and don't believe that means I am blaming JM more than JB. 

I have always found JM's behavour hard to get to grips with, I am aware that if JB is a psychopathic type of personality then he would have the ability to hypnotise/put her in a trance state.... 'The Reptilian Stare'.  This is what a true psychopath can do and she would be unaware of it happening. 

As we don't know if JB is a psychopath I cannot see how we can know for sure that this happened to JM but it is a possibility which has to be considered imo.

Thank you maggie. I think some people are attributing a lot of skills to Jeremy that he probably didn't possess. As well as going out a lot, they also did ordinary things like go to the supermarket. Julie also had her own life - she wasn't with him day in, day out, she had friends and a different life in London.

[Adam]

That's someone else's words. Does she say it in any of her statements? If not, then it's just hearsay.

I knew you would say that.

That's Julie's court testimony. If it's in her WS, you will just say she was lying.

[Kaldin]

I knew you would say that.

That's Julie's court testimony. If it's in her WS, you will just say she was lying.

I'm sorry but I can't accept what someone else said unless she said it herself. After all, I showed you proof that she requested to see the bodies - I didn't take someone else's word for it.

[Adam]

Thank you maggie. I think some people are attributing a lot of skills to Jeremy that he probably didn't possess. As well as going out a lot, they also did ordinary things like go to the supermarket. Julie also had her own life - she wasn't with him day in, day out, she had friends and a different life in London.

That is true. They weren't together all the time.

That soon changed after Bamber whisked her over to WHF,  stopped working & commenced his jolly ups.

[Kaldin]

That is true. They weren't together all the time.

That soon changed after Bamber whisked her over to WHF & stopped working.

Against her will I suppose.

[maggie]

Thank you maggie. I think some people are attributing a lot of skills to Jeremy that he probably didn't possess. As well as going out a lot, they also did ordinary things like go to the supermarket. Julie also had her own life - she wasn't with him day in, day out, she had friends and a different life in London.

I agree which makes it hard to believe she was in a hypnotic state.  People in such a situation find it impossible to function away from their psychopath, it is like an addiction and all consuming.  The fact that JM was able to attend college and get through her Teaching Practice makes it unlikely that she was a victim of such behavour by JB.

[Adam]

I'm sorry but I can't accept what someone else said unless she said it herself. After all, I showed you proof that she requested to see the bodies - I didn't take someone else's word for it.

I knew you would say that as well.

Both supporters & guilters use books as a source.

If you haven't read any books so can't quote any, that is you're problem.

[Adam]

I agree which makes it hard to believe she was in a hypnotic state.  People in such a situation find it impossible to function away from their psychopath, it is like an addiction and all consuming.  The fact that JM was able to attend college and get through her Teaching Practice makes it unlikely that she was a victim of such behavour by JB.

Julie in a hypnotic state 

[Steve_uk]

I agree which makes it hard to believe she was in a hypnotic state.  People in such a situation find it impossible to function away from their psychopath, it is like an addiction and all consuming.  The fact that JM was able to attend college and get through her Teaching Practice makes it unlikely that she was a victim of such behavour by JB.

But the greatest strain occurred during the holiday period.

[maggie]

What reasoning ?

Kaldin just keeps repeating that she would have acted differently to Julie.

Apparently cut off from him from day one, not worn a veil at the funeral, acted differently when Bamber rang her at 3am, not identified the twins & not allowed herself to be whisked around by Bamber for 20 days.

It's good that someone can be so certain of what they would do at the age of 20 in a situation they have never been in before.

Not that Kaldin's different reactions overturns Bamber's conviction, represents everyone or means Julie is wrong.

Funny that Adam as you never cease telling us what you believe JB did or didn't do at the age of 24/25 in situations I would hope you have never been in. 

I think Kaldin is weighing up the various arguments and is actually an asset to the forum.

[Kaldin]

I knew you would say that as well.

Both supporters & guilters use books as a source.

If you haven't read any books so can't quote any, that is you're problem.

Did Julie write a book about it then?

[Adam]

Funny that Adam as you never cease telling us what you believe JB did or didn't do at the age of 24/25 in situations I would hope you have never been in. 

I think Kaldin is weighing up the various arguments and is actually an asset to the forum.

I've just said how Bamber could have committed the massacre which matched the crime scene.

Although Nugs put a spanner in the works by saying Bamber could have got lost when travelling the 3 miles to/from where he lived & where he used to live.

[Kaldin]

Funny that Adam as you never cease telling us what you believe JB did or didn't do at the age of 24/25 in situations I would hope you have never been in. 

I think Kaldin is weighing up the various arguments and is actually an asset to the forum.

Thank you - that's very kind of you. 

[maggie]

Julie in a hypnotic state 

You may find the 'Reptilian Stare' amusing Adam but it is a fact.  Many partners/victims of psychopaths say afterwards that their time with the psychopath was like being in a dream state or bubble.  Julie could not have functioned in the world the way she did if she was in a dreamlike state. 

JM apparently dismissed JB's late night phone call and told him to go back to sleep which is hardly the actions of a woman in thrall and obsession to him.