The suggestion of Bamber being seen on his journey to & from WHF:

[Adam]

It was suggested yesterday by Nugs that 'theres people up and walking about at that time'. Referring to the 1am - 3am period Bamber was on the farmland he travelled across.

These were apparently poachers, neighbours, cars that were illegally driving across the farm land or people up in their homes looking out of their windows.

Surely this is not the case.

I don't know what poachers would be looking for in that area of farm land. But hope to get enlightened.

The route across the farm land did not go near any roads. Which is why Bamber chose this route. The nearest roads in that area would be very quiet at that time with no traffic. There is no reason why drivers would choose to attempt to take a short cut & illegally drive across farm land in pitch black. The farm land may have made this impossible anyway.

RB said the route passed no dwellings. There may be a possibility of someone being up, looking through a window with infra red, powerful binnoculars & spotting a figure. But the odds are again over a million to one.

Bamber could exit & enter his cottage onto the pathway from the back.  Therefore no one on his road would see him.

Does everyone agree with the prosecution case that no one would have seen Bamber travel to & from WHF between 1am - 3am ? 

[Jane]

It's was suggested yesterday by Nugs that 'theres people up and walking about at that time'. Referring to the 1am - 3am period Bamber was on the farmland he travelled across.

These were apparently poachers, neighbours, cars that were illegally driving across the farm land or people up in their homes looking out of their windows.

Surely this is not the case.

I don't know what poachers would be looking for in that area of farm land. But hope to get enlightened.

The route across the farm land did not go near any roads. Which is why Bamber chose this route. The nearest roads in that area would be very quiet at that time with no traffic. There is no reason why drivers would choose to attempt to take a short cut & illegally drive across farm land in pitch black. The farm land may have made this impossible anyway.

RB said the route passed no dwellings. There may be a possibility of someone being up, looking through a window with infra red, powerful binnoculars & spotting a figure. But the odds are again over a million to one.

Bamber could exit & enter his cottage onto the pathway from the back.  Therefore no one on his road would see him.

Does everyone agree with the prosecution case that no one would have seen Bamber travel to & from WHF between 1am - 3am ?

In the great scheme of things and according to the diktats of the Cosmos, it possible that there COULD have been those who, like Jeremy, were abroad at silly o'clock....................but on that particular night, there weren't. It's highly likely, that rather than leave it to chance, Jeremy would have done a practice run -or two?- to assess the potential problem. There appears to be much worrying done here on Jeremy's behalf. SO many "supposings" and "what ifs". These are all AFTER the event. The only hiccough he encountered was having to shoot Sheila twice.

[Caroline]

It was suggested yesterday by Nugs that 'theres people up and walking about at that time'. Referring to the 1am - 3am period Bamber was on the farmland he travelled across.

These were apparently poachers, neighbours, cars that were illegally driving across the farm land or people up in their homes looking out of their windows.

Surely this is not the case.

I don't know what poachers would be looking for in that area of farm land. But hope to get enlightened.

The route across the farm land did not go near any roads. Which is why Bamber chose this route. The nearest roads in that area would be very quiet at that time with no traffic. There is no reason why drivers would choose to attempt to take a short cut & illegally drive across farm land in pitch black. The farm land may have made this impossible anyway.

RB said the route passed no dwellings. There may be a possibility of someone being up, looking through a window with infra red, powerful binnoculars & spotting a figure. But the odds are again over a million to one.

Bamber could exit & enter his cottage onto the pathway from the back.  Therefore no one on his road would see him.

Does everyone agree with the prosecution case that no one would have seen Bamber travel to & from WHF between 1am - 3am ?

I live in a rural area and the notion of poachers wandering around at that time of the night/morning is far fetched, what would they be hoping t poach? An owl?  . There are sometimes people hunting rabbits with dogs (creeps!), but not at 3am, this is generally around 8 or 9 in the evening (bout the time Jeremy went a hunting bunnies - cough!). Jeremy knew the area well and would have been familiar with short cuts across the land, keeping away from the main roads and out of sight.

[Adam]

I think Nugs was clutching at straws again.

[nugnug]

whatever time your out you cant be certan you wont be seen.

[Jane]

whatever time your out you cant be certan you wont be seen.

You're right. One can never be certain. Jeremy got lucky.................as he was likely to, 99 times out of 100, in an area he knew like the back of his hand. You can go on repeating that he MAY have been seen until you're blue in the face. The fact remains, he wasn't.

[Jan]

You're right. One can never be certain. Jeremy got lucky.................as he was likely to, 99 times out of 100, in an area he knew like the back of his hand. You can go on repeating that he MAY have been seen until you're blue in the face. The fact remains, he wasn't.

Not a fact

as he may not have made the journey .

[Adam]

Nugs was right. There was a 1 in 500 chance Bamber would be seen on that journey, at that time. He decided they were good enough odds.

If he realises he has been seen on the way to WHF, he could always double back & not carry out the massacre that night.

As said, Nugs was clutching at straws again.

[Jane]

Not a fact

as he may not have made the journey .

If he made the journey, he made it without being seen. If he didn't make the journey, clearly he wouldn't have been seen. FACT!

[mike tesko]

In the great scheme of things and according to the diktats of the Cosmos, it possible that there COULD have been those who, like Jeremy, were abroad at silly o'clock....................but on that particular night, there weren't. It's highly likely, that rather than leave it to chance, Jeremy would have done a practice run -or two?- to assess the potential problem. There appears to be much worrying done here on Jeremy's behalf. SO many "supposings" and "what ifs". These are all AFTER the event. The only hiccough he encountered was having to shoot Sheila twice.

Jeremy Bamber did not shoot his sister Sheila at all, let alone twice! How could he have shot his sister in the shooting incident in the kitchen to which an officers report (reference 1612) relates, and then shoot her a second time at 9.13am upstairs once her body had been moved to there from on top of the bed?

[mike tesko]

I live in a rural area and the notion of poachers wandering around at that time of the night/morning is far fetched, what would they be hoping t poach? An owl?  . There are sometimes people hunting rabbits with dogs (creeps!), but not at 3am, this is generally around 8 or 9 in the evening (bout the time Jeremy went a hunting bunnies - cough!). Jeremy knew the area well and would have been familiar with short cuts across the land, keeping away from the main roads and out of sight.

But he didn't because Sheila killed the other four victims, and as a result her nightdress got contaminated with blood type 'O' belonging to Neville Bamber, Daniel and Nicholas Caffell! June Bambers 'Atype blood was also found to be present on the same nightdress!

[mike tesko]

You're right. One can never be certain. Jeremy got lucky.................as he was likely to, 99 times out of 100, in an area he knew like the back of his hand. You can go on repeating that he MAY have been seen until you're blue in the face. The fact remains, he wasn't.

But he didn't because Sheila killed the other four victims, and as a result her nightdress got contaminated with blood type 'O' belonging to Neville Bamber, Daniel and Nicholas Caffell! June Bambers 'Atype blood was also found to be present on the same nightdress!

[mike tesko]

Nugs was right. There was a 1 in 500 chance Bamber would be seen on that journey, at that time. He decided they were good enough odds.

If he realises he has been seen on the way to WHF, he could always double back & not carry out the massacre that night.

As said, Nugs was clutching at straws again.

But he didn't because Sheila killed the other four victims, and as a result her nightdress got contaminated with blood type 'O' belonging to Neville Bamber, Daniel and Nicholas Caffell! June Bambers 'Atype blood was also found to be present on the same nightdress!

[mike tesko]

If he made the journey, he made it without being seen. If he didn't make the journey, clearly he wouldn't have been seen. FACT!

But he didn't because Sheila killed the other four victims, and as a result her nightdress got contaminated with blood type 'O' belonging to Neville Bamber, Daniel and Nicholas Caffell! June Bambers 'Atype blood was also found to be present on the same nightdress!

[Jan]

Nugs was right. There was a 1 in 500 chance Bamber would be seen on that journey, at that time. He decided they were good enough odds.

If he realises he has been seen on the way to WHF, he could always double back & not carry out the massacre that night.

As said, Nugs was clutching at straws again.

How did you come to that exact figure of  1 in 500 ?

Did you live in that area at the time ?