could jermy have walked to whf.

[JackieD]

And she certainly changed her mind later, saying she was afraid to say anything other in case he came after her.

Yes course she did

[JackieD]

Was she the only breadwinner in the family? I don't know her circumstances.

Good try Steve but it doesn't wash

[JackieD]

She told her mother shortly before the tragedy: "I have worries you know nothing about." She was listless, moping around the Farm, barely on speaking terms with her son after refusing to write any more personal cheques in his favour. There had been a row at the previous Osea Road board meeting, where she would never gainsay her husband. They were both ironically trying to allow their children more freedom within the constraints that economics forced upon them.

You obviously have no idea how family businesses work
There are often disagreements and arguments

[Steve_uk]

Well mass murders don't happen in a vacuum but are a product of many years of hatred or abuse bubbling under the surface. The trigger can be something relatively trivial: in Jeremy's case it may have been when he crashed his car and expected a replacement, a boardroom row or the refusal to repay Nevill the £2000 loan he had received for his New Zealand trip. David Bain had also crashed an expensive motorcycle on a test drive and had a row with his father over the use of a chainsaw.

[Jan]

Well mass murders don't happen in a vacuum but are a product of many years of hatred or abuse bubbling under the surface. The trigger can be something relatively trivial: in Jeremy's case it may have been when he crashed his car and expected a replacement, a boardroom row or the refusal to repay Nevill the £2000 loan he had received for his New Zealand trip. David Bain had also crashed an expensive motorcycle on a test drive and had a row with his father over the use of a chainsaw.

So the same could be said for a trigger for Sheila perhaps her mother And the abortion , calling her a harlot, the childcare , drugs , etc etc .

If you are going to say a trigger could be trivial it could apply to her as well .

And Jeremy probably had no idea that she had said she was worried she was a danger to her own children so how was he going to cover those murders in his plan ?

[JackieD]

So the same could be said for a trigger for Sheila perhaps her mother And the abortion , calling her a harlot, the childcare , drugs , etc etc .

If you are going to say a trigger could be trivial it could apply to her as well .

And Jeremy probably had no idea that she had said she was worried she was a danger to her own children so how was he going to cover those murders in his plan ?

Brilliant post Jan and so true

[Steve_uk]

So the same could be said for a trigger for Sheila perhaps her mother And the abortion , calling her a harlot, the childcare , drugs , etc etc .

If you are going to say a trigger could be trivial it could apply to her as well .

And Jeremy probably had no idea that she had said she was worried she was a danger to her own children so how was he going to cover those murders in his plan ?

In retrospect I don't accept this, though the "all people are bad and should be killed" remark could well have acted as a catalyst for his plan.

[Jan]

In retrospect I don't accept this, though the "all people are bad and should be killed" remark could well have acted as a catalyst for his plan.

You don't believe that Sheila had a professional medical team , who would not have told anyone her innermost thoughts , unless requested by the police?

There is no evidence at all that anyone knew what she had said in confidence ?

Is there !

[David1819]

What is the agenda? I don't have one, except to seek out the truth.

If you have no agenda then you are more lost than a blind man in a forest.

[Steve_uk]

You don't believe that Sheila had a professional medical team , who would not have told anyone her innermost thoughts , unless requested by the police?

There is no evidence at all that anyone knew what she had said in confidence ?

Is there !

There was no evidence that she was a danger to anyone, or she would not have been allowed to leave St. Andrew's. I understand why the Defence wants to shift the focus onto Sheila because it's their strongest card, but the rationale buckles and finally falls away under scrutiny.

[Steve_uk]

If you have no agenda then you are more lost than a blind man in a forest.

David can you give me examples of mass murder that appeared out of a vacuum, or is it more likely there was pent up rage over many years on the part of a perpetrator when he lent his hand to some firearm..

[JackieD]

If you have no agenda then you are more lost than a blind man in a forest.

I totally agree

[Adam]

The ORIGINAL source was Sheila's social worker and repeated in the book by carol anne lee .

Sheila must have been in the one tenth of one percent of cigar smokers in the 80's.

'About 2 percent of U.S. women say they smoke cigars, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, but that's about 3.2 million women. (In the 1980s, Cigar Aficionado reported, market research showed that women comprised only one-tenth of one percent of the total U.S. cigar'.

[Jan]

There was no evidence that she was a danger to anyone, or she would not have been allowed to leave St. Andrew's. I understand why the Defence wants to shift the focus onto Sheila because it's their strongest card, but the rationale buckles and finally falls away under scrutiny.

It was her own words not mine .

To a medical professional.

I am not judging what they should have done with that information.

[susan]

Sheila must have been in the one tenth of one percent of cigar smokers in the 80's.

'About 2 percent of U.S. women say they smoke cigars, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, but that's about 3.2 million women. (In the 1980s, Cigar Aficionado reported, market research showed that women comprised only one-tenth of one percent of the total U.S. cigar'.

Adam Sheila did smoke the large cigars and sometimes the smaller ones as you know her fingers were badly stained with nicotine.