could jermy have walked to whf.

[Steve_uk]

Not according to the person I have been speaking to .

But also the conversation he made to Anne when she got upset and ripped off wallpaper seemed to indicate he was quite excited about what his parents were planning .

But he wound people up on several occasions, which was his hallmark and modus operandi. The fact that Julie couldn't read him led to the tragedy.

[Jane]

Not according to the person I have been speaking to .

But also the conversation he made to Anne when she got upset and ripped off wallpaper seemed to indicate he was quite excited about what his parents were planning .

We ALL -OK, some of us- know people who knew Jeremy before his conviction. I guess they all have different views of him.

[susan]

A remark of Ann Eaton struck me that Jeremy told her his parents had had an offer from the Henry Smith trustees (or was it an outside body?) to buy them out: wouldn't this have been a solution to everyone's woes? Nevill couldn't go on working forever and let's face it they had already made their money. June offered to buy Sheila an antiques shop in the locality but no similar offer was made to Jeremy-a wine bar for instance and not the busman's holiday of a piece of land adjoining Little Rentners Farm.

Steve this is all new to me is this in AE's statements?

[Steve_uk]

Steve this is all new to me is this in AE's statements?

It must be in Ann Eaton's statement somewhere-quite a long statement if I recall correctly.

[Jane]

A remark of Ann Eaton struck me that Jeremy told her his parents had had an offer from the Henry Smith trustees (or was it an outside body?) to buy them out: wouldn't this have been a solution to everyone's woes? Nevill couldn't go on working forever and let's face it they had already made their money. June offered to buy Sheila an antiques shop in the locality but no similar offer was made to Jeremy-a wine bar for instance and not the busman's holiday of a piece of land adjoining Little Rentners Farm.

Steve, I do have some memory of this. Did he not tell Ann that the trust weren't going to renew the lease of WHF? I know Ann appeared to suffer both rage and frustration after the conversation, part of which, I believe, was a wind up?

[Jan]

We ALL -OK, some of us- know people who knew Jeremy before his conviction. I guess they all have different views of him.

I don't know this person but have been in contact with them and they knew him for sometime before the event .

[Jane]

I don't know this person but have been in contact with them and they knew him for sometime before the event .

Well, I guess if what's said, by those who are anti, has to be taken with a pinch of salt, so too, must that which is said by those who are pro.

[susan]

It must be in Ann Eaton's statement somewhere-quite a long statement if I recall correctly.

Thank you Steve I will read her statement toimorrow

[Steve_uk]

Steve, I do have some memory of this. Did he not tell Ann that the trust weren't going to renew the lease of WHF? I know Ann appeared to suffer both rage and frustration after the conversation, part of which, I believe, was a wind up?

It's on sheets 16 and 17 here. Was Jeremy reporting a conversation between his parents and the trustees? http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4226.0.html

The caravan park was a family business, though seems to have been managed more by Pamela's side of the family: http://www.eadt.co.uk/ea-life/farming-feature-janie-s-childhood-idyll-at-osea-remains-a-magical-place-1-2885047

[Jan]

Yes interesting that June had registered land in Jeremy's name .

An investment for him?

[Steve_uk]

Yes interesting that June had registered land in Jeremy's name .

An investment for him?

She was probably trying to even things out in her own mind after arranging to provide a £3000 per annum allowance for Sheila.

[Adam]

Adam where does it say his rolex wrist watch was stained?

The 2002 court of appeal.

[Adam]

Adam I did not say the police cleaned the rifle I said what would have been the point them doing this also it is now debatable that the linear marks on Neville's back were caused on the night of the murders but personally I think they were and caused by a big lit cigar the type Sheila liked to smoke.

Sheila smoked cigars ? A cigar would not make those marks.

Bamber agrees those marks were caused on the night. It was part of his 2012 appeal.

[Adam]

Adam you can take a horse to water but you can't make it drink.  Julie did not have to be involved in the caravan break in.  May have been her idea as she thought they were Bonny & Clyde

Have you got a source that Julie thought they were Bonny & Clyde.

Julie didn't have much choice at that time of night, while in Essex & with Bamber. She had to be a look out while Bamber robbed his family prior to spending the money.

[Adam]

Are you going to answer the question? A small piece of the gun came off , but where else on the gun is the evidence of a brutal beating ? How do you explain the lack of evidence for what you say happened?


With regards to the break in when my niece went through what she considered to be a bad time with her family she stole money and watches from them and yes wished them dead . But none of that happened and all is fine now so the break in scenario does not automatically prove guilt in any way. . However it could have affected Julie's career as could dealing in drugs and fraud .

Jeremy was well paid had free accommodation and had generous parents and as his mother was in line for an inheritance may have been given money then . He also mentioned about various property investments his parents were going to make so his future seemed assured . Also  we don't know what would have happened if he had changed his mind about working for the family business so that would be assumption nothing more .

34. Subsequent searches of this room revealed Nevill Bamber's blood stained wristwatch under a rug and a piece of broken butt from the rifle

42. The examination of Nevill Bamber's body also revealed black eyes and a broken nose, linear bruising to the cheeks, lacerations to the head, linear type bruising to the right forearm, bruising to the left wrist and forearm and three circular burn type marks to the back. The linear marks were consistent with Mr Bamber having been struck with a long blunt object, possibly a gun.

71. The rifle bore blood smearing on the barrel in the region of the fore-sight and around the mechanism and there were splashes of blood to the left side of the weapon. The appearance of the blood staining was consistent with it having been used to strike somebody who was already bleeding. On analysis the blood was found to be human blood but tests to determine grouping were unsuccessful. A "pull-through" on the barrel of the rifle was conducted for any traces of blood within the weapon. There were none.

I posted these yesterday. You're suggestion that Nevill was brutally beaten with something other than the rifle, which the police didn't find has no basis.

Bamber was working long days on a farm. He wanted to be a play boy. His actions after the massacre and robbing his family & spending the money shows this.