could jermy have walked to whf.

[Jan]

Julie is on tape saying she didn't believe what Bamber was saying. Saying Bamber used to say things to try to shock people.

Even after Bamber rang her at 10pm to say 'tonights the night' & 'it's now or never', she went to sleep.

Can't say I blame Julie for not believing Bamber. How many other men had murdered their sister, mother, father & two nephews with a rifle ? None.

No you know that's not true - because I posted , and you read the words from her own statement.

[Samson]

Julie is on tape saying she didn't believe what Bamber was saying. Saying Bamber used to say things to try to shock people.

Even after Bamber rang her at 10pm to say 'tonights the night' & 'it's now or never', she went to sleep.

Can't say I blame Julie for not believing Bamber. How many other men had murdered their sister, mother, father & two nephews with a rifle ? None.

You have sure been taken in by this xxxxxx woman Adam.
Mendacity oozes from every sweaty pore in her lxxxxxxxxxx body.
Even if Jeremy did it, which he did not, she is a disgraceful xxxxx and lover to a "child killer". This is utter xxxxxxxx to your position. Sorry Adam.

She put Jeremy away for an apartment, this fact can never be erased from her evil record.

And how could someone who even remotely considers a xxxxxxxx xxxxxx xxxxxxxxx can be slept with ever be entrusted with child care?

[David1819]

Julie's WS is backed up with other sources. Thread already created.

Yes. Mathew Mcdonald got Sheila to sit on the bed in the main bedroom and ordered her to shoot herself, then placed on the bible on her chest.

Well done Adam!

[Steve_uk]

Yes. Mathew Mcdonald got Sheila to sit on the bed in the main bedroom and ordered her to shoot herself, then placed on the bible on her chest.

Well done Adam!

David have you ever had experiences with a young schizophrenic woman..

[buddy]

David have you ever had experiences with a young schizophrenic woman..

Have you any experience with psychopathic young men Steve? It is ridiculous that JB would walk, or cycle to WHF., he would have been too lazy. The key to the conviction was JM, and her alone,
All the JM lovers of a poor innocent girl are wrong imo. I look forward to the day when she is Jailed for lying under  oath.

[Jan]

I know what the replies to this are going to be , but consider this . For some reason the police did seem to think there had been at least one call had been made from the farm . Therefore a hitman would suit their scenario . When they decided Jeremy was in the frame then they had to produce theories on how he had got there and back , they had to provide possibilities for where the forensic evidence had gone or what he was wearing , they thought they had motive , but everything else was a blank really , so they needed him to have a past history of plans as well and proof of an unstable personality.

Julie was close at his side supporting him at the beginning , happy to go away with him and go to the morgue , happy to make statements that either were true ? Or lies to cover up for him .

Personally I think her first statements we're probably true she did not think he had done it . I don't think it even crossed her mind . But later on after persuasion , which we know the police were very good at using she embellished conversations  to help the police for whatever reason. Perhaps they told her they KNEW he had done it and needed her help , or accused her of being an accomplice .  I know that there were other witnesses talking about the hitman etc but we don't know 100% the police had not spoken to her earlier.

I am excusing her behaviour in someways because her story so fits the bits that the police were missing .

And also did she not say in a much later newspaper statement that she THOUGHT He was guilty , which is different to she KNEW he was guilty .

If her later statements are true then I am sorry I don't buy she did not know , it is not normal to have conversations that specifically plan out murders with methods and discussion in that much detail . And then when it happens not connect the two?

And the police knew it would look odd so that's why they made her make that explanation statement of why it took a month to come forward.

IMO. OF COURSE. So I am not accused of whinging or being dictorial or any other negative trait posters want to attribute to me.

[Jane]

Have you any experience with psychopathic young men Steve? It is ridiculous that JB would walk, or cycle to WHF., he would have been too lazy. The key to the conviction was JM, and her alone,
All the JM lovers of a poor innocent girl are wrong imo. I look forward to the day when she is Jailed for lying under  oath.

How d'you know Jeremy would have been to lazy, buddy? You have to be angry beyond belief to heap all the responsibility for Jeremy's conviction on Julie. I hope you're not holding your breath.

[susan]

Have you any experience with psychopathic young men Steve? It is ridiculous that JB would walk, or cycle to WHF., he would have been too lazy. The key to the conviction was JM, and her alone,
All the JM lovers of a poor innocent girl are wrong imo. I look forward to the day when she is Jailed for lying under  oath.

Hello Buddy that is an excellent post.  Julie IMO was not an innocent girl she knew what she was doing when she realised Jeremy was to be charged she kinda convinced herself he was guilty and she saw a way out of her having a criminal record and not being able to teach plus she got a flat in London I have no source for this just common sense IMO

[Jane]

I know what the replies to this are going to be , but consider this . For some reason the police did seem to think there had been at least one call had been made from the farm . Therefore a hitman would suit their scenario . When they decided Jeremy was in the frame then they had to produce theories on how he had got there and back , they had to provide possibilities for where the forensic evidence had gone or what he was wearing , they thought they had motive , but everything else was a blank really , so they needed him to have a past history of plans as well and proof of an unstable personality.

Julie was close at his side supporting him at the beginning , happy to go away with him and go to the morgue , happy to make statements that either were true ? Or lies to cover up for him .

Personally I think her first statements we're probably true she did not think he had done it . I don't think it even crossed her mind . But later on after persuasion , which we know the police were very good at using she embellished conversations  to help the police for whatever reason. Perhaps they told her they KNEW he had done it and needed her help , or accused her of being an accomplice .  I know that there were other witnesses talking about the hitman etc but we don't know 100% the police had not spoken to her earlier.

I am excusing her behaviour in someways because her story so fits the bits that the police were missing .

And also did she not say in a much later newspaper statement that she THOUGHT He was guilty , which is different to she KNEW he was guilty .

If her later statements are true then I am sorry I don't buy she did not know , it is not normal to have conversations that specifically plan out murders with methods and discussion in that much detail . And then when it happens not connect the two?

And the police knew it would look odd so that's why they made her make that explanation statement of why it took a month to come forward.

IMO. OF COURSE. So I am not accused of whinging or being dictorial or any other negative trait posters want to attribute to me.

If you've reached a point of providing a Julie-soft scenario to be considered, it suggests that you don't have a clear idea of why he's innocent. Therefore, are you entirely certain that he IS innocent?

[Jan]

How d'you know Jeremy would have been to lazy, buddy? You have to be angry beyond belief to heap all the responsibility for Jeremy's conviction on Julie. I hope you're not holding your breath.

Well there were really only two things that sealed his conviction , her evidence and the silencer . And I still don't think the silencer evidence was totally understood by the legal people , let alone the jury.

[Steve_uk]

Have you any experience with psychopathic young men Steve? It is ridiculous that JB would walk, or cycle to WHF., he would have been too lazy. The key to the conviction was JM, and her alone,
All the JM lovers of a poor innocent girl are wrong imo. I look forward to the day when she is Jailed for lying under  oath.

He had allegedly as a teenager got out of a car after a family argument and walked back home many miles. That's just one incident mentioned in the books. As far as Julie is concerned I did post the chronology or at least who she told about Jeremy's involvement and when but can't recall which thread it was on. But when Stan Jones took Julie's statement on 8th September 1985 there was also the Robert Boutflour input, which I'm surmising because of his clout started the process in earnest.

[Adam]

Well there were really only two things that sealed his conviction , her evidence and the silencer . And I still don't think the silencer evidence was totally understood by the legal people , let alone the jury.

There were over 200 pieces of incriminating forensic & circumstantial evidence. You, Roch, Mike & David agree. Saying the evidence was obtained by forgery & perjury.

But appreciate supporters will try to keep to Julie lying because she was apparently jilted & the relatives working with the police to fabricate the silencer.

[Jane]

Well there were really only two things that sealed his conviction , her evidence and the silencer . And I still don't think the silencer evidence was totally understood by the legal people , let alone the jury.

So if you're determined to heap the blame on Julie, why didn't Jeremy protest more vehemently, and why did his counsel not keep her on the stand till they broke her evidence? Might it have been because his counsel didn't think he was innocent? You really are either over empowering a 21 year old, OR saying his counsel was crap.

[Adam]

Have you any experience with psychopathic young men Steve? It is ridiculous that JB would walk, or cycle to WHF., he would have been too lazy. The key to the conviction was JM, and her alone,
All the JM lovers of a poor innocent girl are wrong imo. I look forward to the day when she is Jailed for lying under  oath.

The reason Bamber committed the massacre was because he was lazy. Not wanting to spend the rest of his life working on the farm. As it turned out, he didn't.

[Adam]

Hello Buddy that is an excellent post.  Julie IMO was not an innocent girl she knew what she was doing when she realised Jeremy was to be charged she kinda convinced herself he was guilty and she saw a way out of her having a criminal record and not being able to teach plus she got a flat in London I have no source for this just common sense IMO

What criminal record did Julie have prior to the massacre ?