could jermy have walked to whf.

[mike tesko]

No. Hypothetically he can walk to WHF but he cannot walk back.

If Jeremy walked back. That is a 1 hour and 25 minutes walk. That is assuming Jeremy is going by the average daytime walking speed on a flat surface. Once you apply Naismith's rule/Aitken corrections you are looking at a 1 hour and fifty-five minute walk from WHF back to Goldhanger. Making Sheila's TOD over 8 hours from when the photos were taken. Proving his innocence even more.

Not to mention all the time it will take Jeremy to put the silencer away, stage everything, construct his blood dam, put the coat over the mantle scratches and then climb outside to rearrange the items on the window seal before walking off.

But he didn't because Sheila killed the other four victims, and as a result her nightdress got contaminated with blood type 'O' belonging to Neville Bamber, Daniel and Nicholas Caffell! June Bambers 'Atype blood was also found to be present on the same nightdress!

[Steve_uk]

But he didn't because Sheila killed the other four victims, and as a result her nightdress got contaminated with blood type 'O' belonging to Neville Bamber, Daniel and Nicholas Caffell! June Bambers 'Atype blood was also found to be present on the same nightdress!

I wouldn't be surprised if Jeremy Bamber were Blood Type O..

[Jan]

I wouldn't be surprised if Jeremy Bamber were Blood Type O..

Well as he was not related to any of the victims we can't assume can we? And I am sure the police must have established his blood group .

[Steve_uk]

Well as he was not related to any of the victims we can't assume can we? And I am sure the police must have established his blood group .

Strange that we don't know though..

[Jan]

Strange that we don't know though..

Actually I did do a search around because of the blood group info on the nightdress . But could not find anything at all .

[Jan]

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1647

From Julie's WS

'About June 1985 whilst I was out in the car with Jeremy he told me that he was being pressurised by his parents and he hoped that Sheila was coming to stay. He said that he would use a cycle to do it and would do a trial run to see how long it would take. He thought it would take………..?? (The rest of this page is missing, it looks like she could be saying 15 minutes to me).'

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15 minutes sounds about right. For me to cycle 3 miles from my postcode on a bike like June's, cross country,  would take about 15 minutes. To walk it would take around 50 minutes.

For Julie to cycle 3 miles would take longer. Unless she was a strong cyclist, which I've never read about her.

So she did know he was going to murder his family and even his plan before she went to see the children in the mortuary ?

She knew his methods and his motive . And yet said nothing . And in fact covered up for him .

[Jane]

So she did know he was going to murder his family and even his plan before she went to see the children in the mortuary ?

She knew his methods and his motive . And yet said nothing . And in fact covered up for him .

I think the most that can be fairly said is that she knew he SAID he planned to murder his family. I wonder what, at 20, would have been your reaction to that? For me, I think it would have been utterly incomprehensible -UNTHINKABLE. I don't think ANYONE here is of the belief that it was her finest hour. I feel totally convinced that none condone what she did, but it doesn't prevent some of us from having some sort of understanding. The old adage seems very appropriate here; before we criticize -or understand!- another, we need to walk a mile in their shoes.....................sometimes those shoes can be really crippling.

[Jan]

Yes, but the doubters treat all Julie's evidence as hearsay.

well MOST of the incriminating planning/plotting  murders etc  were just between Jeremy and Julie without other witnesses so cannot be confirmed . So literally it was her word against his .

Although the morgue visit according to Anne did not affect Julie , apparently a lot of her court appearance to the defence was not easily understood because of her being upset.

Obviously that could be taken both ways .

With reference to the thread there was no proof at all how Jeremy did the "journey" at all . So it is all supposition .

No proof of how he destroyed the evidence or even if he cleaned the bike - so again all supposition .

Just because ( as used on both sides ) something was possible , it did not mean that is what happened .

[Samson]

as its impossble for jeremy to have driven there and the bike ride looks increasingly unlickely is it possble jeremy could of walked there and back.

nugnug:

I love the discussion party where we discuss the plan.
If everyone starts with the plan, then we can invoke all reasonable man/woman hypotheses.
Bike drive or walk.
I BET
Jeremy spent lonely days and lonely nights figuring this one.
I hope we are'nt all dead before Teresa May does her duty and releases poor Jeremy.
God foresaken bitch of an ex  home secretary.

Why do you all let her get away with this

Where I come from, in New Zealand she would granted a damehood. That ironically guarantees she is  a liar, a cheat a thief, and a pile of worthless garbage.
From afar we can see clearly.

[Jan]

Actually Teresa May did stand up to the police when she was Home Secretary hence why she was very unpopular with them . But I had a strange letter from her department about Jeremy basically saying the government did not have the power to make EP release any missing documents . I can not remember the exact wording but it was some other authority that had to be referred to not the home office .

[nugnug]

Actually Teresa May did stand up to the police when she was Home Secretary hence why she was very unpopular with them . But I had a strange letter from her department about Jeremy basically saying the government did not have the power to make EP release any missing documents . I can not remember the exact wording but it was some other authority that had to be referred to not the home office .

she only stood up to them about pays and conditions though she dident seem to be interested in any police wrong doing.

probely because she knew her mates in the tabloid press were up to there necks in the wrongdoing as well

[Steve_uk]

nugnug:

I love the discussion party where we discuss the plan.
If everyone starts with the plan, then we can invoke all reasonable man/woman hypotheses.
Bike drive or walk.
I BET
Jeremy spent lonely days and lonely nights figuring this one.
I hope we are'nt all dead before Teresa May does her duty and releases poor Jeremy.
God foresaken bitch of an ex  home secretary.

Why do you all let her get away with this

Where I come from, in New Zealand she would granted a damehood. That ironically guarantees she is  a liar, a cheat a thief, and a pile of worthless garbage.
From afar we can see clearly.

But you lost your nerve with David Bain. One hopes the same won't occur with Mark Lundy. As for the House of Lords, I'm sure there's a fair amount of garbage contained therein.

[maggie]

well MOST of the incriminating planning/plotting  murders etc  were just between Jeremy and Julie without other witnesses so cannot be confirmed . So literally it was her word against his .

Although the morgue visit according to Anne did not affect Julie , apparently a lot of her court appearance to the defence was not easily understood because of her being upset.

Obviously that could be taken both ways .

With reference to the thread there was no proof at all how Jeremy did the "journey" at all . So it is all supposition .

No proof of how he destroyed the evidence or even if he cleaned the bike - so again all supposition .

Just because ( as used on both sides ) something was possible , it did not mean that is what happened .

Excellent post Jan.

[Adam]

So she did know he was going to murder his family and even his plan before she went to see the children in the mortuary ?

She knew his methods and his motive . And yet said nothing . And in fact covered up for him .

Julie is on tape saying she didn't believe what Bamber was saying. Saying Bamber used to say things to try to shock people.

Even after Bamber rang her at 10pm to say 'tonights the night' & 'it's now or never', she went to sleep.

Can't say I blame Julie for not believing Bamber. How many other men had murdered their sister, mother, father & two nephews with a rifle ? None.

[Adam]

well MOST of the incriminating planning/plotting  murders etc  were just between Jeremy and Julie without other witnesses so cannot be confirmed . So literally it was her word against his .

Although the morgue visit according to Anne did not affect Julie , apparently a lot of her court appearance to the defence was not easily understood because of her being upset.

Obviously that could be taken both ways .

With reference to the thread there was no proof at all how Jeremy did the "journey" at all . So it is all supposition .

No proof of how he destroyed the evidence or even if he cleaned the bike - so again all supposition .

Just because ( as used on both sides ) something was possible , it did not mean that is what happened .

It's Bamber's word against Julie. Bamber saying Julie has lived a huge lie because apparently 'he jilted her'.

Julie's WS is backed up with other sources. Thread already created.

I agree it was possible for Bamber to cycle/walk to WHF, clean the bike & dispose of his crime clothes. Indirect incriminating evidence which convicted him shows he did all this. Disposing of his crime clothes in either Essex, Amsterdam, St Tropez, London, Eastbourne or Pevensey.