Why the police did not disturb the kitchen crime scene:

[Adam]

An example of why you are correct to say every situation is different and not apply your theories just to the cases that suit you

2008, an 8-year-old boy, whose name was not released, was arrested and charged with shooting and killing his father and his father’s friend . The young boy confessed to shooting both men with a .22 caliber rifle, but police felt something bigger caused the boy to commit such a premeditated murder. The boy also kept a tally of spankings he received from his father, but there was not enough evidence to support the possibility of abuse.

So why did the father or his friend overpower an 8 year old boy with a .22 rifle?

Obviously not such a difficult weapon to use .

Where does it say the 8 year boy & father wrestled for the rifle ?

The two adults may have been shot in their sleep. And the rifle would have been more powerful than a rifle for shooting vermin.

[Jan]

Where does it say the 8 year boy & father wrestled for the rifle ?

The two adults may have been shot in their sleep. And the rifle would have been more powerful than a rifle for shooting vermin.

So now you are saying that the rifle was not powerful ? Because it was designed for vermin?

And yet 5 people are dead ? Is that not powerful enough ? 



Where is your source for wrestling with the rifle?

[Adam]

So now you are saying that the rifle was not powerful ? Because it was designed for vermin?

And yet 5 people are dead ? Is that not powerful enough ? 



Where is your source for wrestling with the rifle?

26 bullets killed 5 people. A shot gun would need only five bullets.

How else did the aga scratches & smashed ceiling light occur ?

[Jan]

26 bullets killed 5 people. A shot gun would need only five bullets.

How else did the aga scratches & smashed ceiling light occur ?

I don't believe the aga scratches were there in the original photos

And has been said before  either the raid team entering or someone raising the gun to hit Neville .

It was not a big room .

[Adam]

I don't believe the aga scratches were there in the original photos

And has been said before  either the raid team entering or someone raising the gun to hit Neville .

It was not a big room .

If the aga scratches are not in the original photo's, Bamber would be a free and rich man.

The judge said the aga scratches were caused during the rifle wrestle.

[Jan]

If the aga scratches are not in the original photo's, Bamber would be a free and rich man.

The judge said the aga scratches were caused during the rifle wrestle.

He also did not instruct the jury correctly on the silencer evidence . And as has been shown a lot of photos were left out of the evidence ,source list of court photos , then you could be wrong.

[Caroline]

He also did not instruct the jury correctly on the silencer evidence . And as has been shown a lot of photos were left out of the evidence ,source list of court photos , then you could be wrong.

Don't you think they usually select a series of photos or do you imagine the jury usually gets to see the lot?

[Caroline]

Guidelines of police crime scene photography
(source) https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=TBMlDQAAQBAJ&pg=PA75&lpg=PA75&dq=crime+scene+photographs,+court+album&source=bl&ots=3pHQpHlwtZ&sig=odvwgI4roulnb0gl1EiRsnYLM88&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjdo6mwtZPVAhXHaFAKHahoAVAQ6AEISDAH#v=onepage&q=crime%20scene%20photographs%2C%20court%20album&f=false

[Jan]

Don't you think they usually select a series of photos or do you imagine the jury usually gets to see the lot?

Of course not , but as you said if you are determined to get your man for any reason telling lies is apparently acceptable so why not leaving out specific photos. 

Or changing the order that they were taken .

Possibly , allegedly .

[Caroline]

Of course not , but as you said if you are determined to get your man for any reason telling lies is apparently acceptable so why not leaving out specific photos. 

Or changing the order that they were taken .

Possibly , allegedly .

But no evidence of that = it's common practice not to use all of the photographs - quality over quantity.

[David1819]

If the aga scratches are not in the original photo's, Bamber would be a free and rich man.

The judge said the aga scratches were caused during the rifle wrestle.

Read what the pathologist said about Nevills arm.



A 'wrestle' is not possible.

[Adam]

Read what the pathologist said about Nevills arm.



A 'wrestle' is not possible.

Of course Nevill & Bamber wrestled over the rifle. How do you think the aga scratches & smashed ceiling light occurred ?

Nevill was shot twice in the torso & got downstairs to put up what the judge described as a 'tremendous fight for life'. Part of which would be to try to get control of a deadly weapon.

[Adam]

Of course not , but as you said if you are determined to get your man for any reason telling lies is apparently acceptable so why not leaving out specific photos. 

Or changing the order that they were taken .

Possibly , allegedly .

Do you agree with Roch that Taff was replaced by Peter Simpson who brought in Ainsley to hide evidence ?

This is part of the 200+ piece of false evidence of the industrial frame.

[maggie]

Of course Nevill & Bamber wrestled over the rifle. How do you think the aga scratches & smashed ceiling light occurred ?

Nevill was shot twice in the torso & got downstairs to put up what the judge described as a 'tremendous fight for life'. Part of which would be to try to get control of a deadly weapon.

David is right, of course Nevill couldn't 'wrestle' with anyone with such a dreadful injury to his arm. It is a farce that it was ever claimed he could have. He had shocking injuries by that time.

[Adam]

David is right, of course Nevill couldn't 'wrestle' with anyone with such a dreadful injury to his arm. It is a farce that it was ever claimed he could have. He had shocking injuries by that time.

Of course Nevill & Bamber wrestled for the rifle.

The judge said the aga scratch marks on the silencer shows it was on during the massacre. Why would Bamber scratch the aga & smash a ceiling light if he always had total control of the rifle ?

Nevill was fighting for his life & would use one arm & his body weight or both arms to try to gain control of the rifle.  Regardless of the pain which I doubt he would notice in the heat of the moment.