Why the police did not disturb the kitchen crime scene:

[Jan]

How could they have taken DNA swabs in 1985 when they didn't do DNA testing then? Sheila was cremated shortly after her death so any such tests were out of the question.

DNA testing wAs in existence it just had not been used in criminal trials . And if they had taken samples they could have been kept for other testing if necessary . That's how other old cases have been solved .

[Jan]

The police already had Sheila's blood. In a fridge.

That was not the question.

[Jane]

DNA testing wAs in existence it just had not been used in criminal trials . And if they had taken samples they could have been kept for other testing if necessary . That's how other old cases have been solved .

The key words, surely, are "if necessary". Why, when they believed the case was solved, would they consider further testing "necessary"?

[Jan]

The key words, surely, are "if necessary". Why, when they believed the case was solved, would they consider further testing "necessary"?

Yes well the answer to that is obvious . But I am sure they learnt from their mistakes .

[Caroline]

DNA testing wAs in existence it just had not been used in criminal trials . And if they had taken samples they could have been kept for other testing if necessary . That's how other old cases have been solved .

I know when DNA was discovered (it was known about as early as 1860) but you're expecting EP to have miraculously decided to apply it to a criminal case when it hadn't been applied before. They hadn't been trained in the collection of DNA nor the study of it. To expect that they would have had the afore thought for this is a bit much. Sheila had also already been cremated when Jeremy became a suspect.

[Lucy522]

DNA testing wAs in existence it just had not been used in criminal trials . And if they had taken samples they could have been kept for other testing if necessary . That's how other old cases have been solved .

That's what I was getting at jan
Cases have been solved decades on as new testing has come in

[Jane]

That's what I was getting at jan
Cases have been solved decades on as new testing has come in

Unless it has escaped your notice, Lucy, as far as the police are concerned, this case HAS been solved.

[Caroline]

That's what I was getting at jan
Cases have been solved decades on as new testing has come in

And they did do DNA testing on some of the items but they didn't collect those items in the hope that DNA testing would be used in criminal cases.

[Adam]

Nevill retreated downstairs while Bamber held the rifle & followed. They wrestled with the rifle resulting in the aga scratch marks and ceiling light smashing. There has never been any suggestion that Nevill ever had control of the rifle.

Once Bamber had control of the rifle again he hit Nevill multiple times with such force it broke the rifle stock, smashed & dislodged Nevill's watch & gave him multiple & horrific arm, face, torso & head injuries.

The only way Nevill could have inflicted injuries to Bamber was if he punched him in the face,  once or several times with sufficient force to cause an injury. But Nevill just wrestled with Bamber over the rifle & then defended himself from a barage of violent rifle blows.

It is even less likely Bamber would get a body injury, as he had appropriate clothes on.

As mentioned earlier in this thread, Bamber's clothes would be covered in blood, GSR, oil & may be damaged. But he disposed of them.

[Adam]

None of the above would apply to Sheila, once they were both in the kitchen.

Nevill would just use his 8 stone weight & 9 inch height advantages to bring Sheila to the floor. Rather than rifle wrestle. BW saying he could do this with one arm. This is really something Nevill would have done hours earlier.

[Lucy522]

Nevill retreated downstairs while Bamber held the rifle & followed. They wrestled with the rifle resulting in the aga scratch marks and ceiling light smashing. There has never been any suggestion that Nevill ever had control of the rifle.

Once Bamber had control of the rifle again he hit Nevill multiple times with such force it broke the rifle stock, smashed & dislodged Nevill's watch & gave him multiple & horrific arm, face, torso & head injuries.

The only way Nevill could have inflicted injuries to Bamber was if he punched him in the face,  once or several times with sufficient force to cause an injury. But Nevill just wrestled with Bamber over the rifle & then defended himself from a barage of violent rifle blows.

It is even less likely Bamber would get a body injury, as he had appropriate clothes on.

As mentioned earlier in this thread, Bamber's clothes would be covered in blood, GSR, oil & may be damaged. But he disposed of them.

Where are the aga scratches in the original photos

[Jan]

None of the above would apply to Sheila, once they were both in the kitchen.

Nevill would just use his 8 stone weight & 9 inch height advantages to bring Sheila to the floor. Rather than rifle wrestle. BW saying he could do this with one arm. This is really something Nevill would have done hours earlier.

Adam I really wish you would stop repeating this . It is such an insult to any one or family of people who has been shot or in fact knifed to death to just assume that a bigger person would overpower a smaller person who is facing them with a weapon.

I find your assumptions about what a person would do in a situation like this quite abhorrent .

Its like saying that everyone should have ganged together and overpowered the attackers with knives in London. There is a very good reason why  it does not happen.

And like I suggested before look at videos of how people do change when in a psychotic episode - but I know I am wasting my breath because you are really just not interested. you think by repeating things over and over again people will believe it.

[Adam]

Where are the aga scratches in the original photos

The original photo's are unable to determine whether the scratches were there.

[Adam]

Adam I really wish you would stop repeating this . It is such an insult to any one or family of people who has been shot or in fact knifed to death to just assume that a bigger person would overpower a smaller person who is facing them with a weapon.

I find your assumptions about what a person would do in a situation like this quite abhorrent .

Its like saying that everyone should have ganged together and overpowered the attackers with knives in London. There is a very good reason why  it does not happen.

And like I suggested before look at videos of how people do change when in a psychotic episode - but I know I am wasting my breath because you are really just not interested. you think by repeating things over and over again people will believe it.

Each situation is different.

The evidence shows Nevill & Sheila wrestled for the rifle. Meaning he had the opportunity to use his gigantic weight, height & strenght advantages to just fall onto her as they both went to ground.

[Jan]

Each situation is different.

The evidence shows Nevill & Sheila wrestled for the rifle. Meaning he had the opportunity to use his gigantic weight, height & strenght advantages to just fall onto her as they both went to ground.

An example of why you are correct to say every situation is different and not apply your theories just to the cases that suit you

2008, an 8-year-old boy, whose name was not released, was arrested and charged with shooting and killing his father and his father’s friend . The young boy confessed to shooting both men with a .22 caliber rifle, but police felt something bigger caused the boy to commit such a premeditated murder. The boy also kept a tally of spankings he received from his father, but there was not enough evidence to support the possibility of abuse.

So why did the father or his friend overpower an 8 year old boy with a .22 rifle?

Obviously not such a difficult weapon to use .