Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm

[guest2181]

Trailed from her neck and under her arm.

Do we think I/S means inside?

[Kaldin]

Then she must have been slightly leaning back for it to go on the back of her nightdress.

[lookout]

Not sure what the I/S is but the KM is the Kastle-Meyers test is for colour,as in blood. I'll see if I can see any reference to the above,I/S.
I'd have said In-Situ,but it doesn't match anything.

[Stephanie]

He's not trying to get off on technicalities.  He's being KEPT IN on technicalities!

This is how I once thought re the SH case

Though you say you aren't familiar with the case, which is a shame

[Kaldin]

I'd like to just go back to this thread re Sheila's second neck wound. The smeared blood has been discussed a few times, and three possibilities have been put forward.

Someone put their thumb on the wound and smeared the blood.

Her head dropped forward momentarily and the blood smeared (I think I read that on the other forum).

The front sight of the gun moved slightly and caused the smears - this possibility means that the silencer was not on the gun at the time.

Which of those seems feasible, or are there any other possibilities? I'm interested in the third one, although I'm thinking that the smears would have been slightly lower down because of the position of the front sight, and the gun would have had to be slightly twisted for the front sight to smear the blood.

[lookout]

Someone may have felt her neck for a pulse if it hadn't appeared that she'd been deceased at that point ?

[Kaldin]

Someone may have felt her neck for a pulse if it hadn't appeared that she'd been deceased at that point ?

I don't think they'd put their thumb right in the blood though. Is that where you feel for a pulse in the neck?

[David1819]

Someone put their thumb on the wound and smeared the blood.

Why would anyone do that?

Her head dropped forward momentarily and the blood smeared (I think I read that on the other forum).

Not possible. There were blobs of blood on her neck, they would have all been smudged if that happened.

The front sight of the gun moved slightly and caused the smears - this possibility means that the silencer was not on the gun at the time.

Looks that way to me.

[Kaldin]

David, I agree that the second point is unlikely because the blood had been smeared to Sheila's left.

[Kaldin]

In fact, the whole smudge seems to extend to both sides of the run of blood, or is some of it bruising?

[David1819]

In fact, the whole smudge seems to extend to both sides of the run of blood, or is some of it bruising?

Vanezis describes them as blobs.

[lookout]

I don't think they'd put their thumb right in the blood though. Is that where you feel for a pulse in the neck?

The thumb wouldn't purposely have gone into the area of blood as really,it couldn't be avoided. Yes it's the right area for a pulse and if it had been for that purpose and blood was on the thumb,you'd tend to smudge your thumb along to "wipe away " the residue.

[Kaldin]

Vanezis describes them as blobs.

I mean there's an area which appears to be blood all around, excluding the blobs.

[Kaldin]

The thumb wouldn't purposely have gone into the area of blood as really,it couldn't be avoided. Yes it's the right area for a pulse and if it had been for that purpose and blood was on the thumb,you'd tend to smudge your thumb along to "wipe away " the residue.

You mean they put their hand to her neck to feel for a pulse and the thumb happened to touch the running blood and smear it?

The blood has run on top of the smear so it was still running when that happened. I don't know how long she would have bled from a wound which was pretty much instantly fatal.

[David1819]

I mean there's an area which appears to be blood all around, excluding the blobs.

I don't understand. "area which appears to be blood all around" because its exactly that.