Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm

[Kaldin]

The reason that blood would have been seen from the first shot is that both the carotid artery and the jugular vein are " inter-connected " . Both " orifices " would have contained a collection of blood which would have still flowed to some extent but not pumped. 

The smear could possibly have been the gun,or because Sheila hadn't been deceased for any length of time, a human touch in that area to feel for a pulse ?

I'm not sure about that. After the smear was made, the blood continued to run down the side of her neck. How long would that blood have continued to run after she was dead?

[lookout]

I'm not sure about that. After the smear was made, the blood continued to run down the side of her neck. How long would that blood have continued to run after she was dead?

 " If moved " in any way,particularly on the side of injuries,blood will run where it has collected,after death,but won't obviously pump out because that mechanism would have failed through death.

I also think that the " noise " the raid team heard upstairs could well have been a cough/choke from Sheila as blood poured down her throat.Noises can be made involuntary after death and this could have prompted someone to go into the bedroom from where the sound came and feel the carotid pulse ( neck ) for any sign of life.

[Kaldin]

 " If moved " in any way,particularly on the side of injuries,blood will run where it has collected,after death,but won't obviously pump out because that mechanism would have failed through death.

I also think that the " noise " the raid team heard upstairs could well have been a cough/choke from Sheila as blood poured down her throat.Noises can be made involuntary after death and this could have prompted someone to go into the bedroom from where the sound came and feel the carotid pulse ( neck ) for any sign of life.

But there's no sign that the blood collected on her neck - the blood is running straight from the wound (other than the blood smear).

Could the noise which was heard have been the dog which was under the bed?

[lookout]

 " If moved " in any way,particularly on the side of injuries,blood will run where it has collected,after death,but won't obviously pump out because that mechanism would have failed through death.

I also think that the " noise " the raid team heard upstairs could well have been a cough/choke from Sheila as blood poured down her throat.Noises can be made involuntary after death and this could have prompted someone to go into the bedroom from where the sound came and feel the carotid pulse ( neck ) for any sign of life.

But there's no sign that the blood collected on her neck - the blood is running straight from the wound (other than the blood smear).

Could the noise which was heard have been the dog which was under the bed?

Of course,the dog could have been whimpering or shuffling around. It could even have licked Sheila's neck where the smudge was as dogs smell wounds and distress.

[lookout]

The diagram of Sheila's nightdress shows and describes the large patch of blood on the back of it. If this blood has got there from her neck wound,why isn't it showing the" runs" from that area down to the patch if she'd been sitting ? Also it mentions clots,which don't travel as quickly as blood so where did the clots come from if she'd been lying down at that stage ?

[Kaldin]

The diagram of Sheila's nightdress shows and describes the large patch of blood on the back of it. If this blood has got there from her neck wound,why isn't it showing the" runs" from that area down to the patch if she'd been sitting ? Also it mentions clots,which don't travel as quickly as blood so where did the clots come from if she'd been lying down at that stage ?

I'm also puzzled by this blood on the back of Sheila's nightdress. If she was sitting up when she was shot I would expect the blood to go down the front of her nightdress, which it did. The blood continued to run sideways down the right side of her neck for a while after she was lying down, but how it soaked the back of the nightdress is a mystery.

[Caroline]

I'm also puzzled by this blood on the back of Sheila's nightdress. If she was sitting up when she was shot I would expect the blood to go down the front of her nightdress, which it did. The blood continued to run sideways down the right side of her neck for a while after she was lying down, but how it soaked the back of the nightdress is a mystery.

Venezis said that Sheila was either sitting up or PARTIALLY sitting up. The way the blood travelled down her night dress I believe the latter to be more likely.

[lookout]

I'm also puzzled by this blood on the back of Sheila's nightdress. If she was sitting up when she was shot I would expect the blood to go down the front of her nightdress, which it did. The blood continued to run sideways down the right side of her neck for a while after she was lying down, but how it soaked the back of the nightdress is a mystery.
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It's the clots that puzzle me,as it's usual for that to happen where a wound is,but so far as we're aware there was no wound in the area where the clots were reported to have been.

[Kaldin]

Venezis said that Sheila was either sitting up or PARTIALLY sitting up. The way the blood travelled down her night dress I believe the latter to be more likely.

Yes, and partially leaning to the right, which makes sense. How did it get on the back though?

[Kaldin]

Lookout, the clots could just mean that the blood pooled rather than continued to spread, which would make sense.

[lookout]

Lookout, the clots could just mean that the blood pooled rather than continued to spread, which would make sense.

There's a marked difference in pooled blood and clots Kaldin.

[Kaldin]

There's a marked difference in pooled blood and clots Kaldin.

Yes, but when it began to dry it might take the form of clots.

[Kaldin]

How could Sheila have been partially sitting up? She could if she had been leaning on the cabinet, but if she wasn't, she would have to have very strong stomach muscles.

[Caroline]

Yes, and partially leaning to the right, which makes sense. How did it get on the back though?

Trailed from her neck and under her arm.

[lookout]

Trailed from her neck and under her arm.

Only if sitting up as liquid finds its own level and if she'd been lying flat the whole time the blood would only have pooled on the right of her neck and shoulder but wouldn't have ran down.