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Re: Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm
« Reply #840 on: July 27, 2017, 06:02:PM »
Who knows Susan?  When you consider many of the protagonists are dead - even if a living colleague did play some minor role in aiding a wrongful conviction - why should they take the flak for decisions made by their now dead colleagues?  Also, if they know somebody who took decisions back then and who is still alive, why should relatively small-fry run the risk of getting serious flak - when the attention should be on the still living main-player?

Have you ever seen a statement or testimony from Montgomery?

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Re: Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm
« Reply #841 on: July 27, 2017, 06:10:PM »
Ok if we accept Dr Craig being a police surgeon, someone holding such a high position, yet he can't tell if a person is dead or not?

On the version given in his name, he did not perform a physical examination, he pronounced her as being dead simply by a cursory glance, and noted a wound to her neck! That's not very professional by anyones standards! I know that when Ewen Smith had been to see Dr Craig that Ewen was very concerned about Sheila only having a single wound when Craig viewed her body and pronounced her dead without examining her physically! But Ewen told me that Dr Craig was in poor health and he did not think he was fit enough or well enough to attend an Appeal Hearing should the matter be referred to the court of appeal, or words to that effect! Prior to Craig attending the scene, police officers had already declared her dead on two occasions, once in the kitchen at 7.35am, and secondly upstairs on the bed in the main bedroom at around 8.30am! On both of these occasions Sheila had only been shot once! Therefore, it should not come as a surprise that when Craig pronounced her dead, he only noted one bullet wound to her throat at 'that' stage! It is worth noting also that by the time the second team of SOCO took control of the scene in the main bedroom, that rigor mortis had not set in by 10am, because according to Cooks trial testimony he moved Sheila's hand and her right arm so that PC Bird could fingerprint the bloodied fingermarks on Sheila's nightdress! Jeremy would have needed to have killed everyone by around 3am, if he had been the killer, and you would expect rigor mortis to have set in by 10am, 7 hours later, but it hadn't, and no-one comments about an absence of it on any of the bodies! No-one even comments about the body temperature of the victims at the time of discovery, or even at the stage where the police surgeon pronounced death of the victims (8.44am). It takes 10 hours for a corpse to reach the ambient temperate of the place it is found in...

Cops avoided any information which might shed light on the actual time of Sheila Caffells death!

They even introduced the second SOCO team after 10 am, by which stage blood from the second fatal under the chin shot at 9.13am, had coagulated sufficiently to support the claim that she had not just died very recently! But the whole set up was nothing but a hoax! The body of Sheila Caffell was staged, her suicide was faked, not by Jeremy Bamber, but by the cops. Top brass was inside the main bedroom when the shot (PV/20) thundered out of the rifles barrell under Sheila's chin and lodged itself in her brain! Top brass dropped a huge clanger, tampering with the crime scene, staging it, and getting a second SOCO team in to photograph the staged bedroom as though that was how it had been discovered two and a half hours previously!

But, it was all a lie..
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Re: Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm
« Reply #842 on: July 27, 2017, 06:38:PM »
I can also report that although PC Bird claimed to have taken photograph no. 33, which shows a view of Sheila with the barrel of the rifle against the left side of her neck, that her body was left in this position after DC Oakey/DC Henderson (first SOCO team) took photograph no. 26, until the blood had coagulated, and only then at that stage was the position of her body and that gun rephotographed producing an image of dried blood, whereas in no. 26 it was still relatively still fresh looking! After 33 was taken, PC Bird (second SOCO team)  took other photographs, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31 and 32...
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Re: Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm
« Reply #843 on: July 27, 2017, 06:43:PM »
Mike can you liaise with mods to put both those full pictures if you have them in the archive ? There is something else on them I would really like to check

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Re: Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm
« Reply #844 on: July 27, 2017, 07:19:PM »
On the version given in his name, he did not perform a physical examination, he pronounced her as being dead simply by a cursory glance, and noted a wound to her neck! That's not very professional by anyones standards! I know that when Ewen Smith had been to see Dr Craig that Ewen was very concerned about Sheila only having a single wound when Craig viewed her body and pronounced her dead without examining her physically! But Ewen told me that Dr Craig was in poor health and he did not think he was fit enough or well enough to attend an Appeal Hearing should the matter be referred to the court of appeal, or words to that effect! Prior to Craig attending the scene, police officers had already declared her dead on two occasions, once in the kitchen at 7.35am, and secondly upstairs on the bed in the main bedroom at around 8.30am! On both of these occasions Sheila had only been shot once! Therefore, it should not come as a surprise that when Craig pronounced her dead, he only noted one bullet wound to her throat at 'that' stage! It is worth noting also that by the time the second team of SOCO took control of the scene in the main bedroom, that rigor mortis had not set in by 10am, because according to Cooks trial testimony he moved Sheila's hand and her right arm so that PC Bird could fingerprint the bloodied fingermarks on Sheila's nightdress! Jeremy would have needed to have killed everyone by around 3am, if he had been the killer, and you would expect rigor mortis to have set in by 10am, 7 hours later, but it hadn't, and no-one comments about an absence of it on any of the bodies! No-one even comments about the body temperature of the victims at the time of discovery, or even at the stage where the police surgeon pronounced death of the victims (8.44am). It takes 10 hours for a corpse to reach the ambient temperate of the place it is found in...

Cops avoided any information which might shed light on the actual time of Sheila Caffells death!

They even introduced the second SOCO team after 10 am, by which stage blood from the second fatal under the chin shot at 9.13am, had coagulated sufficiently to support the claim that she had not just died very recently! But the whole set up was nothing but a hoax! The body of Sheila Caffell was staged, her suicide was faked, not by Jeremy Bamber, but by the cops. Top brass was inside the main bedroom when the shot (PV/20) thundered out of the rifles barrell under Sheila's chin and lodged itself in her brain! Top brass dropped a huge clanger, tampering with the crime scene, staging it, and getting a second SOCO team in to photograph the staged bedroom as though that was how it had been discovered two and a half hours previously!

But, it was all a lie..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rigor_mortis
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« Reply #845 on: July 27, 2017, 07:40:PM »
Dr Craig attended the scene to formally certify the deaths. In cross-examination at the trial he said the deaths could have occurred at any time during the previous night. The appearance of Sheila Caffell's body suggested to him that the wounds had been inflicted by her own hand. In answer to the judge the witness made it clear this was not an opinion the jury should rely upon as a true indication that the injuries had been self-inflicted.

So here we have another experienced Professional willing to put his career on the line, putting his trust in police officers that he had certified Sheila dead when in fact he hadn't and she was still alive.  I bet he was worried for the rest of his life in case someone squealed. 

Makes you wonder why they never fetched Dr Craig back to cover his blunder when they shot Sheila for the second time?  In fact why fetch another doctor when Craig had already certified her dead, it would have been obvious after the second shot.

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Re: Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm
« Reply #846 on: July 27, 2017, 11:06:PM »
I don't think it's believing, it happened.

The South Yorkshire police and crime commissioner, Dr Alan Billings, shared her concern. He said: “The former miners and their families deserved to know the truth about what happened that day. I am therefore shocked and dismayed by this decision. The government have marched the Campaign for Truth and Justice to the top of the hill only to march them down again.”

He said he was unconvinced by the reasons given for refusing an investigation: “No one has ever suggested that the events of Orgreave were comparable in every respect to the disaster at Hillsborough. But the former miners and the former mining communities in South Yorkshire deserve an explanation as to what happened on that day, and where Orgreave fits in the wider story of the miners’ strike. I believe the government has shied away from agreeing an inquiry because of those wider issues.”

Andy Burnham, the former shadow home secretary who campaigned for an inquiry into both Orgreave and Hillsborough, said the Independent Police Complaints Commission had found evidence of perjury and perversion of the course of justice, and that new evidence had recently been put forward of orchestrated police violence and manufactured court statements. “This establishment stitch-up is a purely political act.”

Good read

https://www.thecanary.co/2016/08/24/untold-story-miners-pension-theft-truly-shocking/


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Re: Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm
« Reply #848 on: July 27, 2017, 11:51:PM »
Dr Craig attended the scene to formally certify the deaths. Yes, this was true! In cross-examination at the trial he said the deaths could have occurred at any time during the previous night. Not good enough, considering that he referred to any time prior to his pronouncement of death at 8.44am! The appearance of Sheila Caffell's body suggested to him that the wounds had been inflicted by her own hand. He was fooled into thinking this, as a result of Sheila's death scene having been staged by senior officers during 'informatives'...In answer to the judge the witness made it clear this was not an opinion the jury should rely upon as a true indication that the injuries had been self-inflicted. In fact, the injuries to Sheila Caffell had not been self inflicted, she was shot on two occasions by someone else!, She was shot once downstairs in the kitchen ( before 7.35am), and once upstairs on the main bedroom floor (at 9.13am), once her body was moved to there from on top of the bed!

So here we have another experienced Professional willing to put his career on the line, putting his trust in police officers that he had certified Sheila dead when in fact he hadn't and she was still alive. This is correct, Sheila was not dead when the police surgeon, Dr Craig pronounced her as being dead at 8.44am.. I bet he was worried for the rest of his life in case someone squealed. He confessed the truth to Ewen Smith, Bambers solicitor at the time, now a CCRC Commisioner!

Makes you wonder why they never fetched Dr Craig back to cover his blunder when they shot Sheila for the second time? But they didn't, they brought a Dr Harris to the scene, who certified Sheila as being dead once the second shot beneath the chin was received by Sheila Caffell! She was definately deceased after receiving the second shot to her neck!! In fact why fetch another doctor when Craig had already certified her dead, Well, it should be obvious that Sheila wasn't dead by 8.44am, they called out Dr Harris who did carry out a physical examination of the body of Sheila Caffell after the infliction of the second shot, and he concluded that Sheila had in fact been dead within the previous 35 minutes, or so!! it would have been obvious after the second shot. Yeah, but not so obvious after the first shot across her neck downstairs in the kitchen, according tp Professor Knight!
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Re: Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm
« Reply #849 on: July 28, 2017, 12:04:AM »
I am sitting on new information which establishes Jeremy Bambers innocence beyond doubt!!!

Stay tuned in, because by tomorrow all will be revealed...

Goodnight, everybody..
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« Reply #850 on: July 28, 2017, 10:02:AM »

38. At 8.10 a.m., Dr Craig attended the scene to formally certify the deaths. In cross-examination at the trial he said the deaths could have occurred at any time during the previous night.
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« Reply #851 on: July 28, 2017, 10:32:AM »
Good read

https://www.thecanary.co/2016/08/24/untold-story-miners-pension-theft-truly-shocking/
Thanks Jon, that's the first I've read on this subject although being a topic I've always discussed with fellow members.  Make no mistake this is very true, with annual statements I have witnessed this first hand and they haven't had to do a thing except cream it of us.  The scheme was easily very supportive for its members without the government interference and the money they owed us.  Blair and Brown are as bad as the Maxwells and Phillip Greene's of their s world.

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Re: Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm
« Reply #852 on: July 28, 2017, 11:00:AM »
Thanks Jon, that's the first I've read on this subject although being a topic I've always discussed with fellow members.  Make no mistake this is very true, with annual statements I have witnessed this first hand and they haven't had to do a thing except cream it of us.  The scheme was easily very supportive for its members without the government interference and the money they owed us.  Blair and Brown are as bad as the Maxwells and Phillip Greene's of their s world.
'Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men.' Lord Acton .

'Unlimited power is apt to corrupt the minds of those who posses it.' Pitt the Elder

Haha couldn't decide which quote I preferred..... both just as true today as back in 18th century.  Nothing should ever be taken on face value, we should never totally trust anything ... me 2017
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« Reply #853 on: July 28, 2017, 11:15:AM »
'Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men.' Lord Acton .

'Unlimited power is apt to corrupt the minds of those who posses it.' Pitt the Elder

Haha couldn't decide which quote I preferred..... both just as true today as back in 18th century.  Nothing should ever be taken on face value, we should never totally trust anything ... me 2017
Ha Ha, love it Maggie, its the new me from now on and I go by this! I believe everything, and I believe nothing. I suspect everyone and I suspect no one. Peter sellars x

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« Reply #854 on: July 28, 2017, 11:29:AM »
Ha Ha, love it Maggie, its the new me from now on and I go by this! I believe everything, and I believe nothing. I suspect everyone and I suspect no one. Peter sellars x
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