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Offline Caroline

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Re: Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm
« Reply #405 on: July 24, 2017, 12:06:PM »
Just a moment, Roch. Before you accuse me of mocking and dismissing, I suggest YOU put your money where your mouth is and reveal exactly WHAT is that carrot you've been dangling in front of us since you came back saying you had information which wasn't yours to reveal. From where I'm sitting, it sounds very much like taunt..................or, if I'm being generous, tease.

The carrot has been revealed - the 'thing' that couldn't be mentioned are the alleged scratch/gouge marks on Sheila's hand//arm.
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« Reply #406 on: July 24, 2017, 12:24:PM »
The carrot has been revealed - the 'thing' that couldn't be mentioned are the alleged scratch/gouge marks on Sheila's hand//arm.

The 'carrot' was fight injuries on all three adults - but the least known about are relating to Sheila... followed by June.

Jeremy Bamber had no injuries - because he was not involved in the fight between Sheila vs Nevill / June.

"Daughter gone berserk".

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« Reply #407 on: July 24, 2017, 12:30:PM »
I was Jeremy's McKensie man, and I was entitled to do whatever I thought would help Jeremy! The cops staged Sheila's body and me taking the photographs that I took was the right thing to do under the circumstances! A lot of mischief occurs behind pii on the part of the authorities, for example, like withholding 358 photographs from the defence team, and withholding 531 photographs from the court which tried Bamber!
So that means two unqualified people acting on his behalf then?

Obviously you didn't understand what a Mckensie friend role was then, because you wasn't entitled to do whatever you liked.
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Re: Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm
« Reply #408 on: July 24, 2017, 12:48:PM »
The 'carrot' was fight injuries on all three adults - but the least known about are relating to Sheila... followed by June.

Jeremy Bamber had no injuries - because he was not involved in the fight between Sheila vs Nevill / June.

"Daughter gone berserk".

The alleged injuries on Sheila are just that - I'll keep repeating it because it is crucial to your argument. No such marks were reported in Vanezis's autopsy notes even though he described her right hand in detail.

"Yellow metal ring on ring finger R hand, nicotine stain R hand both hands not contaminated apart from blood stains"
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« Reply #409 on: July 24, 2017, 12:52:PM »
The original handwritten notes belonging to this case, made by Venezis, went missing during a burgalries at his home address! He had apparently taken them home with a view to revising them over the weekend, and somebody broke into his home, went into his lift and stole them! Can you believe it!!
Whoops, didn't know about this?  Wonder if this is where M15 got involved?  Makes you wonder how Vanezis got where he did, he was so sloppy in his job, he missed the cuts and grazes attributed to Sheila, then he loses/has stolen the notes he made and has to rewrite the lot again. 

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Re: Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm
« Reply #410 on: July 24, 2017, 12:54:PM »
The alleged injuries on Sheila are just that - I'll keep repeating it because it is crucial to your argument. No such marks were reported in Vanezis's autopsy notes even though he described her right hand in detail.

"Yellow metal ring on ring finger R hand, nicotine stain R hand both hands not contaminated apart from blood stains"

Just because a pathologist fails to notice it, does not mean it does not exist. For example Dr Craig could only see one gunshot wound on Sheila. Yet there was two.

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Re: Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm
« Reply #411 on: July 24, 2017, 12:55:PM »
The alleged injuries on Sheila are just that - I'll keep repeating it because it is crucial to your argument. No such marks were reported in Vanezis's autopsy notes even though he described her right hand in detail.

"Yellow metal ring on ring finger R hand, nicotine stain R hand both hands not contaminated apart from blood stains"

Hands not contaminated?  Wounds are not contaminates - so I don't see the relevance.  I'm not sure what you mean about 'crucial to your argument'. 

I think what is crucial, to guilter credibility on this issue - is that you get your heads together and explain how a neck gunshot wound, spurting blood, could cause the 'smears' in question. 
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« Reply #412 on: July 24, 2017, 01:08:PM »
Hands not contaminated?  Wounds are not contaminates - so I don't see the relevance.  I'm not sure what you mean about 'crucial to your argument'. 

I think what is crucial, to guilter credibility on this issue - is that you get your heads together and explain how a neck gunshot wound, spurting blood, could cause the 'smears' in question.
Roch I can only say again, who knows what happened in Sheila's final execution, who knows what she did with her hands after taking the first shot, who knows what Bamber did with her hands to stage suicide, the question is are they cuts or blood smearing?  You cannot prove what she did with her arms, whether she held the wound after being shot, position of her head when the first shot entered how the blood ran, did Bamber cause the smears in some way?  Who knows and I'm not going to second guess, it's impossible to say 100 per cent.

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Re: Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm
« Reply #413 on: July 24, 2017, 01:17:PM »
Everyone agrees Sheila & her nightdress would have been badly damaged after the violent kitchen fight.

Supporters try to say there was no fight & the raid team smashed things, knocked things over & scratched things. Or that Nevill just collapsed & Sheila spent 5 minutes hitting him with the rifle. Or both. Neither are plausible.

It seems the new direction from Roch is there was a big kitchen fight & Sheila was gouged on the arm by Nevill for some reason. Although the photo's don't show this & several expert sources don't mention any other injuries on Sheila. So the experts are now included in the industrial frame.
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Re: Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm
« Reply #414 on: July 24, 2017, 01:49:PM »
Everyone agrees Sheila & her nightdress would have been badly damaged after the violent kitchen fight.

Supporters try to say there was no fight & the raid team smashed things, knocked things over & scratched things. Or that Nevill just collapsed & Sheila spent 5 minutes hitting him with the rifle. Or both. Neither are plausible.

It seems the new direction from Roch is there was a big kitchen fight & Sheila was gouged on the arm by Nevill for some reason. Although the photo's don't show this & several expert sources don't mention any other injuries on Sheila. So the experts are now included in the industrial frame.

Adam think Sheila's injuries came from June.  Maybe you will be kind enough to explain where the blood smear came from on the breakfast cereal bowl on the kitchen table we have been told Sheila ate after the others so maybe she had a bowl of cereal and the blood on her right thumb would have held the bowl in the position the smear is.  Go and look at the pictures in the archives.   

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Re: Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm
« Reply #415 on: July 24, 2017, 01:57:PM »
Hands not contaminated?  Wounds are not contaminates - so I don't see the relevance.  I'm not sure what you mean about 'crucial to your argument'. 

I think what is crucial, to guilter credibility on this issue - is that you get your heads together and explain how a neck gunshot wound, spurting blood, could cause the 'smears' in question.

So where are the mention of your wounds? Why are they omitted? It's a simple question but one you keep avoiding other than to say the report isn't genuine. Perhaps you and Bill and the CT et al can get your heads together and come up with a reason why Veneziz would omit these wounds from his report when he detailed those of Nevill Bamner. I know wounds aren't contamination the fact that they aren't mentioned at al is the point?
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Re: Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm
« Reply #416 on: July 24, 2017, 01:58:PM »
Just because a pathologist fails to notice it, does not mean it does not exist. For example Dr Craig could only see one gunshot wound on Sheila. Yet there was two.

What? Are you for real?  ::)
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« Reply #417 on: July 24, 2017, 02:10:PM »
Adam think Sheila's injuries came from June.  Maybe you will be kind enough to explain where the blood smear came from on the breakfast cereal bowl on the kitchen table we have been told Sheila ate after the others so maybe she had a bowl of cereal and the blood on her right thumb would have held the bowl in the position the smear is.  Go and look at the pictures in the archives.

June was shot 5 times in bed. So obviously couldn't have injured Sheila.

Blood smear on kitchen bowl ? Are you saying Sheila had breakfast after the massacre ? You will have to show me that picture.
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Re: Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm
« Reply #418 on: July 24, 2017, 02:23:PM »
Hands not contaminated?  Wounds are not contaminates - so I don't see the relevance.  I'm not sure what you mean about 'crucial to your argument'. 

I think what is crucial, to guilter credibility on this issue - is that you get your heads together and explain how a neck gunshot wound, spurting blood, could cause the 'smears' in question.

The absence of post mortem hypostasis and rigor mortis in the photos of her arm makes it impossible for Jeremy to have killed her anyway. Even more so if one believes he walks back to the Goldhanger.

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Re: Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm
« Reply #419 on: July 24, 2017, 02:25:PM »
Adam think Sheila's injuries came from June.  Maybe you will be kind enough to explain where the blood smear came from on the breakfast cereal bowl on the kitchen table we have been told Sheila ate after the others so maybe she had a bowl of cereal and the blood on her right thumb would have held the bowl in the position the smear is.  Go and look at the pictures in the archives.

PH thought it was a blood smear, the question was asked but this isn't  a fact of the case, nor is it a fact that Sheila ate cereal.
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