Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm

[Caroline]

Because they can't look like injuries - because they're not allowed to be injuries.

Because they can only look like injuries - because you want them to be?

[susan]

Because they can't look like injuries - because they're not allowed to be injuries.

Roch
I am led to believe many more than you see the injuries and I would hazard a guess they have superior equipment for examining the injuries than you or me.

[Jane]

And Venezis would have been all too familiar with those terms and readily able to describe such injuries had they been present on her actual body at the time she was in front of him. He was well able to describe such injuries on Nevil. You don't need to study any kind of medicine but you should know the limitations of using photographic imagery to draw such conclusions, after all, we're looking at the same photographs but seeing very different things - that wouldn't be so if we were looking at the actual body of Sheila Cafell, we can't do that but Venezis did and he has no reason to lie - especially on the day of the autopsy!

We are BOTH influenced by what we already believe - you claim that us hard line 'guilters' are somehow deliberately denying that such injuries exist but that you and other hard line innocent supporters are somehow free from your own already held beliefs which; have no influence on what you are seeing. I have shown you Venezis's notes which he made DURING Sheila's autopsy and your only explanation for why he makes no mention of injuries to her arm and hand are that his notes must not be genuine?  Could it not simply be that you're actually seeing what you want to see? Just like you're accusing others of doing?

But, as yet, has given no credible explanation as to WHY a man of Vanezis' standing should want to lie. Here's a few suggestions A) He thought it might be fun, after a life of following rules? B) His assistant found out he'd been at the drugs cabinet and threatened to expose him if he didn't? -(doesn't answer what was in it for the assistant but it's ANOTHER conspirator to add to the list. C) He didn't like Jeremy? D) The police asked him to as a favour? I really can't think of any other reasons. This makes the suggestion even more unbelievable.

[David1819]

June was shot up to 7 times in bed. Twice in the head, once in the throat, twice in the chest, once in the stomach & once in the knee.

If Sheila was so 'crazy' even Nevill couldn't control her, there is no way a woman shot 7 times would have any success scratching Sheila.

This claim is not going anywhere.

 

If June was shot twice in the head whilst in bed how did she manage to get to the door?

[Caroline]

Roch
I am led to believe many more than you see the injuries and I would hazard a guess they have superior equipment for examining the injuries than you or me.

No one can examine any injuries - just photographs.

[Roch]

Because they can only look like injuries - because you want them to be?

Really?  If the two small marks in question are not injuries - then what are they and how where they formed?  If these marks where on any other person, other than Sheila Caffell, you would be saying they were some kind of wound.  But because they are on Sheila Caffell's arm, you can't bring your self to do it.

[Caroline]

Really?  If the two small marks in question are not injuries - then what are they and how where they formed?  If these marks where on any other person, other than Sheila Caffell, you would be saying they were some kind of wound.  But because they are on Sheila Caffell's arm, you can't bring your self to do it.

When I have asked you to explain things you have told me it's not up to you to do so. Given that I was not at the scene nor a fly on the wall, I couldn't possibly tell you how dried blood came to rest there. But please don't tell me what I would or would do in other circumstances - by saying that you are suggesting that I am lying. Sorry I can't see what you see but I'm not into conspiracy theories so don't see liars around every corner!

[David1819]

No I understood you perfectly.  That being said - he also cooperated with police to conceal her wounds - nicks, incisions, gouges, scrapes, abrasions.  Jeremy Bamber could not have been convicted if Sheila Caffell can be shown to have such wounds - as it would bring in to play the prospect of a fight between all three adults in the farmhouse. 

As I tried to imtimate before - perhaps he played a double game?  People are complex and some have consciences that gnaw at them.  Miller, for example, was in the thick of all the wrong doing - and yet apparently he became an advocate for human rights.  Private penance?

Vanezis testimony contradicts a fight with Nevill. It was assumed to have taken place because the police did not admit to creating the mess as it would contradict Julie's testimony.

[David1819]

Sorry I can't see what you see but I'm not into conspiracy theories so don't see liars around every corner!

Care to remind us of your position on the sound moderator?

[Steve_uk]

Vanezis testimony contradicts a fight with Nevill. It was assumed to have taken place because the police did not admit to creating the mess as it would contradict Julie's testimony.

How can Vanezis possibly know to what extent there was a struggle that morning?

[Adam]

If June was shot twice in the head whilst in bed how did she manage to get to the door?

Because they were bullets for shooting rabbits. However there was no possibility she would be able to give a 'crazy' Sheila scratches after receiving 7 of them. Maybe crawl a few feet. Where was Nevill ?

[David1819]

Because they were bullets for shooting rabbits. However there was no possibility she would be able to give a 'crazy' Sheila scratches. Where was Nevill ?

It does not matter how the ammunition was marketed. Both bullets went deep into the brain, the same make and model bullet that killed Sheila instantly via entering her brain.

So I shall again. If June was shot twice in the head whilst in bed, how did she manage to get to the door?

[Adam]

It does not matter how the ammunition was marketed. Both bullets went deep into the brain, the same make and model bullet that killed Sheila instantly via entering her brain.

So I shall again. If June was shot twice in the head whilst in bed, how did she manage to get to the door?

There is no possibility of a woman shot up to seven times while asleep bed, in the head, throat, chest, knee & stomach giving a 'crazy' Sheila scratches. Which is why the pathologist said there was none.

June crawled a few feet. Bamber may have shot her once again when he returned upstairs.

[Steve_uk]

It does not matter how the ammunition was marketed. Both bullets went deep into the brain, the same make and model bullet that killed Sheila instantly via entering her brain.

So I shall again. If June was shot twice in the head whilst in bed, how did she manage to get to the door?

But there were injuries to lower neck, right forearm, chest and knee. The head injuries could have come later.

[Caroline]

Care to remind us of your position on the sound moderator?

I wouldn't care to respond to anything you ask me.