The rifle in the window.

[Jane]

so you have changed your mind then .

Well the one with the chairs away from the window does appear to be a crime scene photo as you can see the parcel that appears in other photos

And the one with the rifle allegedly happened as they were taking crime scene photos as well .

So presumably the same day

Firstly, I've never yet found that H. gives less than truthful information. This makes my original opinion incorrect. WHAT would be the point -under the circumstances- of claiming I'm right and he's wrong.

[Jane]

Unless you've physically been in those rooms------then I disagree because in one window you have piles of clothes,in the other you have clearance,but that's not the only difference. As I've already pointed out,the overall structures of the window casements are different.

I think it's possible that H may know someone who has.

[guest2181]

Unless you've physically been in those rooms------then I disagree because in one window you have piles of clothes,in the other you have clearance,but that's not the only difference. As I've already pointed out,the overall structures of the window casements are different.

They are the same room Lookout Maybe the image below helps.

Bird took pictures in the room, then left and was called back back upstairs again. During that time the rifle was removed, presumably they moved other items out of the way also,  I don't really know though.

[guest2181]

Firstly, I've never yet found that H. gives less than truthful information. This makes my original opinion incorrect. WHAT would be the point -under the circumstances- of claiming I'm right and he's wrong.

I think it's quite easy to be mistaken when looking at the photographs in isolation.

[guest7363]

Did I suggest it "fell" in a different room? Personally I think they're pictures of different rooms, unless one picture was taken of the room as they found it and the other was taken after it had been tidied................but why would they?

Cant remember exact but, I think when Bird came back off his holidays he was asked to go back to WHF?  That would have been 2nd Sept.  Maybe he took some more photos Jane?

[susan]

Unless you've physically been in those rooms------then I disagree because in one window you have piles of clothes,in the other you have clearance,but that's not the only difference. As I've already pointed out,the overall structures of the window casements are different.

Hello lookout
I seem to recall Hartley posted recently he had not been in WHF and he only knew the layout from the crime scene pics so he would not know the layout better than any of us not including myself because I don't know it at all

[Jane]

I think it's quite easy to be mistaken when looking at the photographs in isolation.

It absolutely is. One only has to look at photos taken by estate agents!!!

Cant remember exact but, I think when Bird came back off his holidays he was asked to go back to WHF?  That would have been 2nd Sept.  Maybe he took some more photos Jane?

Thanks for that, Justice. If that's the case, it would be an absolute given that the appearance of the room would have changed.

[susan]

I've always maintained that there were two rifles.

Lookout I seem to think others thought that too was one of the posters tyler?

[guest2181]

Cant remember exact but, I think when Bird came back off his holidays he was asked to go back to WHF?  That would have been 2nd Sept.  Maybe he took some more photos Jane?

Yes it's possible, although the plastic bag makes me think they were taken the same day.

[guest7363]

Yes it's possible, although the plastic bag makes me think they were taken the same day.

I do know he came back on the 2nd of Sept and the investigation had changed and at some stage he had to go back to WHF because of this, 1) Was to take soil samples, whether he took more photo's?  Also what I found interesting about Bird, he only took crime scene photos, exhibit photos were done by civilians at HQ.

[guest2181]

I do know he came back on the 2nd of Sept and the investigation had changed and at some stage he had to go back to WHF because of this, 1) Was to take soil samples, whether he took more photo's?  Also what I found interesting about Bird, he only took crime scene photos, exhibit photos were done by civilians at HQ.

Yes that's correct, I think Oakley (or Oakey?) took some of the images also.

I know there are some additional items in one image, but I wonder if the differing angles are also playing their part. 

[guest7363]

I do know he came back on the 2nd of Sept and the investigation had changed and at some stage he had to go back to WHF because of this, 1) Was to take soil samples, whether he took more photo's?  Also what I found interesting about Bird, he only took crime scene photos, exhibit photos were done by civilians at HQ.

Sorry, just found part of his statement, he has been asked a question in COLP statement, if he took a photo, he goes on to say "no I didn't, the only photography I took was at the  scene, the photography at headquarters is done by civilians?

[guest2181]

Yes that's correct, I think Oakley (or Oakey?) took some of the images also.

I know there are some additional items in one image, but I wonder if the differing angles are also playing their part. 

Actually look at this image, it's quite clear that the photographs were indeed taken on the same day and at some point additional items were moved on to the chairs and window cill.

[lookout]

Lookout I seem to think others thought that too was one of the posters tyler?

I can't even remember it being tyler Susan,but I know others worked it out that there were two. My reason for working it out years ago was the one which was pictured on Sheila's body looked " intact " and not missing a piece of its stock. Furthermore,the same rifle was never queried about it either.

[susan]

I can't even remember it being tyler Susan,but I know others worked it out that there were two. My reason for working it out years ago was the one which was pictured on Sheila's body looked " intact " and not missing a piece of its stock. Furthermore,the same rifle was never queried about it either.

Hi lookout it was tyler found the post don't know how to bring it to the forum but what she said was words to the effect "The weapon found downstairs she found a mystery ten bullets could'ent be matched to the anchutz because different sizes in bullet wounds.  Why did EP want to keep a low key on this weapon.  She then asks the question were two rifles used in the murders.  If you want to read this from tyler is was post 106.  She was a great poster wish she would come back Methinks two rifles may have been used and your point is a good one lookout.