Author Topic: Suicide Note and Sheila's Handwriting Sample Kept in The Same File?  (Read 9448 times)

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Considering the situation at WHF,EP wasted valuable time in not storming inside as they should have done. The case would have been closed from that moment on-----with Jeremy outside the property.

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For those who think armed police strom on in at the first opportunity;

http://www.itv.com/news/tyne-tees/2017-05-18/man-detained-following-burnopfield-siege/

And there was only one bloke in this house!  :o
The people who make these suggestions live in the world of TVs cops, they have never seen a live armed siege and the planning and restraints involved.

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Considering the situation at WHF,EP wasted valuable time in not storming inside as they should have done. The case would have been closed from that moment on-----with Jeremy outside the property.

Well, that's not how things work but I do agree if they had, we wouldn't be debating this stuff 30 odd years later.
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The people who make these suggestions live in the world of TVs cops, they have never seen a live armed siege and the planning and restraints involved.

I agree Justice. This was under siege for about 24 hours - guy barricaded himself into his loft, hurled abuse at the police and threw the odd petrol bomb. They knew he was alive but not what ammunition he may have had. At WHF because there was no communication, I think they knew what they were going to find which is why they went in within 25 hours.
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I agree Justice. This was under siege for about 24 hours - guy barricaded himself into his loft, hurled abuse at the police and threw the odd petrol bomb. They knew he was alive but not what ammunition he may have had. At WHF because there was no communication, I think they knew what they were going to find which is why they went in within 25 hours.
Thats right Caroline, MET WITH NO RESPONSE, told them no one was alive, they would never have stormed WHF the way they did if they were in conversation with someone, they would have carried on talking and not gone as early as they did.

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Ferguson should have known or realised that the risk of suicide is quite high once a person leaves hospital,as it's usually 3 or 4 months later that a victim will take his/her life by acting on impulse. One of the highest triggers is loss------which Sheila had suffered. Antidepressants and antipsychotic drugs also carry a risk of suicide and those taking them should be closely watched and monitored for behavioural problems particularly after a loss. Imagine how Sheila would have felt after parting from Colin,then to have more uncertainty about the futures of her sons ? No woman could go through such traumas unscathed whether they already had problems or not.
Then the loss of her babies before having the twins. This would all have exacerbated her present condition.
Sheila had no support whatsoever which I find appalling and unforgivable.

No wonder Sheila's notes were full of anger ! This is sadly typical of those whose thoughts expressed rage,hatred,vengeance and self-loathing,of how their inner thoughts reacted to their overall feelings before they take their lives. They show the intensity of their feelings then the relief after having been expressed/written.
Style of the handwritten notes aside,the content will go a long way in reaching a conclusion of Sheila's mind at the time of writing them.

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Ferguson should have known or realised that the risk of suicide is quite high once a person leaves hospital,as it's usually 3 or 4 months later that a victim will take his/her life by acting on impulse. One of the highest triggers is loss------which Sheila had suffered. Antidepressants and antipsychotic drugs also carry a risk of suicide and those taking them should be closely watched and monitored for behavioural problems particularly after a loss. Imagine how Sheila would have felt after parting from Colin,then to have more uncertainty about the futures of her sons ? No woman could go through such traumas unscathed whether they already had problems or not.
Then the loss of her babies before having the twins. This would all have exacerbated her present condition.
Sheila had no support whatsoever which I find appalling and unforgivable.

No wonder Sheila's notes were full of anger ! This is sadly typical of those whose thoughts expressed rage,hatred,vengeance and self-loathing,of how their inner thoughts reacted to their overall feelings before they take their lives. They show the intensity of their feelings then the relief after having been expressed/written.
Style of the handwritten notes aside,the content will go a long way in reaching a conclusion of Sheila's mind at the time of writing them.

Especially after a loss? You do realise they had been split for years right? Nothing to suggest that Sheila was suicidal.
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Especially after a loss? You do realise they had been split for years right? Nothing to suggest that Sheila was suicidal.





Whether it had been years or not since her split with Colin,that loss never went away and her life hadn't improved at all,in fact her health had got worse. Since the split Sheila had had no stability, and for someone with a nervous disposition and no support from anyone could only lead to a downward spiral of depression. It also leads to keeping bad company such as Freddie the drug dealer,who Sheila had befriended and he her because she'd been vulnerable.
For Sheila speaking to Helen the way she did,about suicide,would,to me,have been an admittance of some attempt,or why say it ?     

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Whether it had been years or not since her split with Colin,that loss never went away
and her life hadn't improved at all,in fact her health had got worse. Since the split Sheila had had no stability, and for someone with a nervous disposition and no support from anyone could only lead to a downward spiral of depression. It also leads to keeping bad company such as Freddie the drug dealer,who Sheila had befriended and he her because she'd been vulnerable.
For Sheila speaking to Helen the way she did,about suicide,would,to me,have been an admittance of some attempt,or why say it ?   

Those are simply your opinions about someone else's thoughts. We don't know that she wanted to get back with Colin and many people have had suicidal thoughts during desperate times - but they are no more than that.
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Those are simply your opinions about someone else's thoughts. We don't know that she wanted to get back with Colin and many people have had suicidal thoughts during desperate times - but they are no more than that.





To my mind,Sheila desperately needed help but hadn't known how to ask. No doubt it will all come together and prove that when/if we get to view all her notes,as well as her medical notes too.

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Sheila would have known that when writing her notes that in the brief timeframe she'd be dead.
These notes would be/are genuine suicide notes to my mind.