How Many People Knew The Twins

[lookout]

Supporters accept Julie could identify the twins apart. And that the police rejected Robert Howie's identifcation offer.

However it is now being said that the police should have srarted searching for social workers & doctors who probably lived in London. Although the police would not have known if these people could identify the twins apart.

For the last time,Julie went,voluntarily because AE couldn't tell the twins apart.
It's got nothing to do with JB's guilt or innocence.

[Adam]

For the last time,Julie went,voluntarily because AE couldn't tell the twins apart.
It's got nothing to do with JB's guilt or innocence.

I agree it has nothing to do with Bamber's guilt or innocence.

Unfortunately Jackie & Susan believe Julie identifying the twins shows Bamber is innocent.

Both believe in Julie's situation & at her age they would have rejected the opportunity to assist Bamber, the police & relatives.

[Caroline]

The argument put forward by supporters is Bamber is innocent because Julie identified the twins.

Supporters believing they would have acted in a different way in Julie's situation & at her age. Although no one has ever been in her situation.

Because Julie didn't react in the same way they believe they would have done, Bamber must be innocent.

The forensic evidence is not important.

None of them would have dialled 999 either.

[David1819]

For the last time,Julie went,voluntarily because AE couldn't tell the twins apart.
It's got nothing to do with JB's guilt or innocence.

Adam has failed to respond or challenge my definitive dissection of Julies evidence.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8358.msg397988.html#msg397988

I can only assume he does not want to bite the bullet. Alternatively he could read through it and get a good lesson on the case. He might learn something 

[guest2181]

Hartley,he must have spoken about his " plans " over the period of time they were together ? What woman wouldn't have felt uncomfortable or suspicious when it finally did happen ?
Reality would have been an immediate effect for most and no matter how much she'd professed her love for him,she'd have run for her life if she'd have thought for one minute he'd been responsible,if only to escape from the knowledge that she'd pre-known what was to happen. Nobody with any sense wants any involvement with murder.

I don't know the woman, or the interaction she had with Jeremy, so I don't really feel I could say I knew what she was thinking at that time, or indeed at any time.

I can however see a number of possibilities. My current thoughts are that she simply didn't believe JB could have done it and was probably doing her boyfriend a favour by identifying the bodies so that he wouldn't have to.

[Adam]

I don't know the woman, or the interaction she had with Jeremy, so I don't really feel I could say I knew what she was thinking at that time, or indeed at any time.

I can however see a number of possibilities. My current thoughts are that she simply didn't believe JB could have done it and was probably doing her boyfriend a favour by identifying the bodies so that he wouldn't have to.

Jackie needs to come up with something a lot stronger than Bamber is innocent because Julie identified the twins.

Hopefully today when she submits the new information she said she has received on the 13th May, together with the requested Sheila scenario, everyone will be calling her the 'comeback woman'.

[guest2181]

I don't know the woman, or the interaction she had with Jeremy, so I don't really feel I could say I knew what she was thinking at that time, or indeed at any time.

I can however see a number of possibilities. My current thoughts are that she simply didn't believe JB could have done it and was probably doing her boyfriend a favour by identifying the bodies so that he wouldn't have to.

The other thing which may be worth mentioning, is that she had been called to the scene by the police to basically comfort Jeremy. Jeremy was not under arrest or even under suspicion.

None of which gives the impression to Julie that Jeremy had actually committed the murders himself.

[lookout]

I don't know the woman, or the interaction she had with Jeremy, so I don't really feel I could say I knew what she was thinking at that time, or indeed at any time.

I can however see a number of possibilities. My current thoughts are that she simply didn't believe JB could have done it and was probably doing her boyfriend a favour by identifying the bodies so that he wouldn't have to.

Where there's a murder case,the belief in imagining that the person you're " in love with had nothing to do with it ", has to be so strong as to render it an impossibility that that person had anything to do with it at all.
Had Julie genuinely loved him ? Because judging by her actions in court,she didn't. You don't tear into someone like she did without feeling any pangs of sorrow,or was that why she cried uncontrollably when being questioned by Rivlin ? Did she,or didn't she want to be there at that point,or was she happier letting off steam for the prosecution side ? If that was the case she didn't have any love for him.
I can't really fathom the woman out apart from the fact she was mixed up.

It wasn't a case that she " did Jeremy a favour ". He simply couldn't face it,like a lot of people can't,so don't knock him for that. According to CAL,she went on behalf of Jeremy as she was nearer to family than anyone else. Colin hadn't wanted to go,that's why he'd asked Heather,until SJ put a stop to that arrangement.

[Caroline]

Where there's a murder case,the belief in imagining that the person you're " in love with had nothing to do with it ", has to be so strong as to render it an impossibility that that person had anything to do with it at all.
Had Julie genuinely loved him ? Because judging by her actions in court,she didn't. You don't tear into someone like she did without feeling any pangs of sorrow,or was that why she cried uncontrollably when being questioned by Rivlin ? Did she,or didn't she want to be there at that point,or was she happier letting off steam for the prosecution side ? If that was the case she didn't have any love for him.
I can't really fathom the woman out apart from the fact she was mixed up.

It wasn't a case that she " did Jeremy a favour ". He simply couldn't face it,like a lot of people can't,so don't knock him for that. According to CAL,she went on behalf of Jeremy as she was nearer to family than anyone else. Colin hadn't wanted to go,that's why he'd asked Heather,until SJ put a stop to that arrangement.

Then don't knock her for doing something no one else had the stomach for.

[lookout]

Then don't knock her for doing something no one else had the stomach for.

Julie wouldn't have volunteered if she hadn't wanted to. The experience didn't distress her.
If you want to see " Julie-bashing " look at threads in 2011. Maybe that'll stop me being singled out.

[Jane]

Where there's a murder case,the belief in imagining that the person you're " in love with had nothing to do with it ", has to be so strong as to render it an impossibility that that person had anything to do with it at all.
Had Julie genuinely loved him ? Because judging by her actions in court,she didn't. You don't tear into someone like she did without feeling any pangs of sorrow,or was that why she cried uncontrollably when being questioned by Rivlin ? Did she,or didn't she want to be there at that point,or was she happier letting off steam for the prosecution side ? If that was the case she didn't have any love for him.
I can't really fathom the woman out apart from the fact she was mixed up.

It wasn't a case that she " did Jeremy a favour ". He simply couldn't face it,like a lot of people can't,so don't knock him for that. According to CAL,she went on behalf of Jeremy as she was nearer to family than anyone else. Colin hadn't wanted to go,that's why he'd asked Heather,until SJ put a stop to that arrangement.

"Had Julie genuinely loved him"? She stated "I was very much in love with him. I'd hoped we would be married".........................and just for the record, I was EMPHASIZING. Hearing aids Perhaps? I wouldn't then need to be quite so emphatic.

[Caroline]

Julie wouldn't have volunteered if she hadn't wanted to. The experience didn't distress her.
If you want to see " Julie-bashing " look at threads in 2011. Maybe that'll stop me being singled out.

Heather volunteered, does that make her sick too? How do you know whether it distressed her or not?

[Jane]

Julie wouldn't have volunteered if she hadn't wanted to. The experience didn't distress her.
If you want to see " Julie-bashing " look at threads in 2011. Maybe that'll stop me being singled out.

How many more times are you going to take this round in circles rather than admit you're wrong? Have you NEVER been in a position in which you've found yourself volunteering to do something that no one else was willing to do?

[lookout]

"Had Julie genuinely loved him"? She stated "I was very much in love with him. I'd hoped we would be married".........................and just for the record, I was EMPHASIZING. Hearing aids Perhaps? I wouldn't then need to be quite so emphatic.

Hearing aids ? I don't even wear glasses.

[Jane]

Hearing aids ? I don't even wear glasses.

Might that explain why you appear to be blind to the point which is being made, and deaf to what numerous posters are telling you?