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Re: How Many People Knew The Twins
« Reply #60 on: May 13, 2017, 08:07:PM »
Yes, they needed someone to be able to tell the twins apart and Julie could - this is why she agreed to go.

I'm struggling to really understand why it matters?  ???

What difference does it make whether Julie did the ID or not.

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Re: How Many People Knew The Twins
« Reply #61 on: May 13, 2017, 08:09:PM »
I'm rapidly tiring of this sad carousel, Notsure. The past can NOT be changed! It's irrelevant who SHOULD/SHOULDN'T have identified the twins. The relevant point is, THEY DIDN'T, and it fell to Julie. I've held no candle to her in the past, but for God's sake, the girl was 20!! Do you imagine she fought tooth and claw to be first in line to identify them, because unless I'm VERY much mistaken, THAT'S what appears to be suggested by several. Sorry. Rant over. As you were :-[ :-[

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Re: How Many People Knew The Twins
« Reply #62 on: May 13, 2017, 08:11:PM »
I'm struggling to really understand why it matters?  ???

What difference does it make whether Julie did the ID or not.

I've always thought that. But supporters make a big thing of it. The latest being Jackie today.

If the police & AE wanted & needed Julie to go, was she going to say 'no' ?
'Only I know what really happened that night'.

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Re: How Many People Knew The Twins
« Reply #63 on: May 13, 2017, 08:11:PM »
I'm struggling to really understand why it matters?  ???

What difference does it make whether Julie did the ID or not.

I absolutely doesn't H. I keep labouring the point, I know, but it remains that no one else offered.

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Re: How Many People Knew The Twins
« Reply #64 on: May 13, 2017, 08:15:PM »
Julie never asked to be at WHF in the first place.

Bamber testifying he was wrong to bring her over on the massacre morning.
'Only I know what really happened that night'.

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Re: How Many People Knew The Twins
« Reply #65 on: May 13, 2017, 08:17:PM »
No Lookout, you INSISTED strongly that Colin's reluctance to identify the twins had NOTHING to do with my belief that he couldn't face the truth -and I believe I DO know- and is actually corroborated by his own words in the book you've read and can quote from but seem NOT to have read those words. This has NOTHING to do with Heather. It's simply about Colin not being willing to see the destruction inflicted on his children. I understand that.

I don't get me wrong Jane I completely understand why he didn't identify them but I wonder if he regrets it and also it's the boys , I would need to tuck them in, I wouldn't want anyone else going near them. It was obviously too much for him to bare but for me no one would have got in there except me.

It's actually the boys I'm thinking of not Colin. Poor little darlings, breaks my heart to think of them.

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« Reply #66 on: May 13, 2017, 08:22:PM »
I don't get me wrong Jane I completely understand why he didn't identify them but I wonder if he regrets it and also it's the boys , I would need to tuck them in, I wouldn't want anyone else going near them. It was obviously too much for him to bare but for me no one would have got in there except me.

It's actually the boys I'm thinking of not Colin. Poor little darlings, breaks my heart to think of them.

Oh. Certainly, Notsure, and there's no way I'm pointing a finger at him. He made a decision which was best for him............at the time. That's what he has to hold onto whatever other decision he may have arrived at down the years. I think Colin was a very sensitive father but I believe women tend to see things differently.

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Re: How Many People Knew The Twins
« Reply #67 on: May 13, 2017, 08:51:PM »
I'm struggling to really understand why it matters?  ???

What difference does it make whether Julie did the ID or not.

It doesn't but if people are trying to demonise her by saying she was sick to ID the twins when she knew Jeremy had just murdered them, they have to acknowledge his guilt. 
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Re: How Many People Knew The Twins
« Reply #68 on: May 13, 2017, 09:04:PM »
It doesn't but if people are trying to demonise her by saying she was sick to ID the twins when she knew Jeremy had just murdered them, they have to acknowledge his guilt.





We don't have to acknowledge his guilt at all. All we've been saying is that it was rather a strange thing to do in light of " her knowing that he'd murdered them all ".Anyone else would have been miles away at the thought.

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« Reply #69 on: May 13, 2017, 09:08:PM »




We don't have to acknowledge his guilt at all. All we've been saying is that it was rather a strange thing to do in light of " her knowing that he'd murdered them all ".Anyone else would have been miles away at the thought.

Why is it if she was the only option? No one else who could tell them apart offered to go.
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Re: How Many People Knew The Twins
« Reply #70 on: May 13, 2017, 09:16:PM »
Why is it if she was the only option? No one else who could tell them apart offered to go.
In fact that's the nub of this thread summarized in one sentence.

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Re: How Many People Knew The Twins
« Reply #71 on: May 13, 2017, 09:21:PM »
Why is it if she was the only option? No one else who could tell them apart offered to go.





The one who could tell them apart wasn't allowed,was she ? For reasons unknown.
I fail to understand that excuse anyway-------what would it have mattered if they couldn't have been recognised apart ? They were children,just the two of them.

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Re: How Many People Knew The Twins
« Reply #72 on: May 13, 2017, 09:27:PM »




We don't have to acknowledge his guilt at all. All we've been saying is that it was rather a strange thing to do in light of " her knowing that he'd murdered them all ".Anyone else would have been miles away at the thought.

Hi lookout it seems to me when Julie identified the twins she did not know her boyfriend had killed them I don't believe for one moment she would have gone along with him knowing he was responsible for the murders she was an intelligent woman studying for a degree to teach children she would not have taken a month to go to the police.

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Re: How Many People Knew The Twins
« Reply #73 on: May 13, 2017, 09:33:PM »




The one who could tell them apart wasn't allowed,was she ? For reasons unknown.
I fail to understand that excuse anyway-------what would it have mattered if they couldn't have been recognised apart ? They were children,just the two of them.

I can perfectly well see that it wouldn't matter to you. You weren't family. After the ignominious way in which they died, the least they could have bestowed on them was the dignity of their own names.

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Re: How Many People Knew The Twins
« Reply #74 on: May 13, 2017, 09:45:PM »




The one who could tell them apart wasn't allowed,was she ? For reasons unknown.
I fail to understand that excuse anyway-------what would it have mattered if they couldn't have been recognised apart ? They were children,just the two of them.

Julie could tell them apart, I've already told you that. Of course it matters, it matters for the records, for the autopsy. You can't  just treat them as 'the twins'. Each twin had to be identified to distinguish their injuries etc. I'd have thought that was obvious to someone from the medical profession?
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