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Offline JackiePreece

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How Many People Knew The Twins
« on: May 13, 2017, 02:09:PM »
The twins were 6 years old when they died so they obviously had teachers, pre school teachers and numerous carers and foster parents looking after them in the six years

There is absolutely no reason why Mugford would want to identify the people murdered at WHF when she was sleeping with the 'murderer
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Re: How Many People Knew The Twins
« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2017, 02:13:PM »
The twins were 6 years old when they died so they obviously had teachers, pre school teachers and numerous carers and foster parents looking after them in the six years

There is absolutely no reason why Mugford would want to identify the people murdered at WHF when she was sleeping with the 'murderer

I can hear how desperate you are to rope someone else in to identify the twins. Facts are, for whatever reason, it fell to Julie, ergo, no one else offered. No one else wanted to.

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« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2017, 02:16:PM »
As I've already mentioned,Heather also went to see the twins,at Colin's behest.

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« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2017, 02:17:PM »
Already posted today:

She wanted to be helpful.

She was not as upset as everyone else. As was not related to any of the deceased.

She still didn't believe or was not sure Bamber was guilty.

She was asked to.

She was not doing anything useful or constructive,  as had been whisked over by Bamber. So offered, or was asked.

Bamber seemed to be coping well, and could cope for a short period while Julie went to identify the bodies.

She went with another relative to give moral support.

If she didn't go with another relative, then she would have originally assumed she would be accompanied.

She believed Bamber was guilty, identifying the twins is no worse than being by his side as he acted.

She knew the twins and could identify them.

Bamber didn't offer to do this. 

No one else offerred.

Her WS was true and she felt she could communicate with them.

She offered in error. But couldn't withdraw once the offer had been made.

She wanted a break from the crime scene and police. Which was a situation she had not asked to be a part of.

She believed seeing the twins would help her come to terms with what had happened.

She was in the room when discussions about who would do this started. So not surprising she ended up doing this.

If not in the room, Bamber or someone else recommended to the police Julie could do this.

The police felt Julie was the best person. She could identify the twins but had least emotional attachment.

She had little attachment to the twins. They were her boyfriends sisters, sons.

Bamber had brought her over in a police car. She assumed this was so she could be helpful. Identifying the bodies is being helpful.

No one tried to stop her identifying the twins.

A combination of several of the above.
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Re: How Many People Knew The Twins
« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2017, 02:20:PM »
Did Julie go with AE to identify the twins ?

They would both want to support each other
 
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Re: How Many People Knew The Twins
« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2017, 02:21:PM »
Heather had been more involved with the twins at that time,more than anyone else. They were with Colin and so was she.

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Re: How Many People Knew The Twins
« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2017, 02:23:PM »
I can hear how desperate you are to rope someone else in to identify the twins. Facts are, for whatever reason, it fell to Julie, ergo, no one else offered. No one else wanted to.

If you start to be rude again I will ask Maggie to remove your posts again.
It happens regularly even when I am not here

I am not desperate to rope anyone into anything
I am desperate to get to the truth
Identifying the twins did not fall to Julie and she wasn't even a relative
She volunteered
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Re: How Many People Knew The Twins
« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2017, 02:33:PM »
Between Heather and Julie,I wonder who went first ? Was it Heather because of Colin who couldn't face going ? Then not to be outdone,did Julie go after having visited both Colin and Heather ?

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« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2017, 02:45:PM »
If you start to be rude again I will ask Maggie to remove your posts again.
It happens regularly even when I am not here

I am not desperate to rope anyone into anything
I am desperate to get to the truth
Identifying the twins did not fall to Julie and she wasn't even a relative
She volunteered

I'm not trying to be rude -I'm only ever 'rude' to those who are rude to me, first, and you haven't been- I'm reflecting what I'm hearing from you. None of it can be UNhappened. History can't be changed. WHOEVER there was who knew the twins better than Julie didn't present themselves. Are you suggesting that Julie fought for the right to identify them. Colin didn't want to. Understandable. AE claimed not to be able to tell them apart, which probably meant that no one else could, within the family. We have no idea who MAY have been asked and refused. You say Julie wasn't family. I concur. But she was connected. Going outside to teachers/social workers/ doctors? would have meant even less connection to the family. AND they couldn't be compelled.
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Re: How Many People Knew The Twins
« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2017, 03:33:PM »
I'm not trying to be rude -I'm only ever 'rude' to those who are rude to me, first, and you haven't been- I'm reflecting what I'm hearing from you. None of it can be UNhappened. History can't be changed. WHOEVER there was who knew the twins better than Julie didn't present themselves. Are you suggesting that Julie fought for the right to identify them. Colin didn't want to. Understandable. AE claimed not to be able to tell them apart, which probably meant that no one else could, within the family. We have no idea who MAY have been asked and refused. You say Julie wasn't family. I concur. But she was connected. Going outside to teachers/social workers/ doctors? would have meant even less connection to the family. AND they couldn't be compelled.
Absolutely Jane it's not just about "how many people knew the twins" but whether they could tell them apart. This thread is yet another smokescreen to deflect from the truth, leading us down a blind alley and a tasteless one at that.

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Re: How Many People Knew The Twins
« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2017, 03:45:PM »
Absolutely Jane it's not just about "how many people knew the twins" but whether they could tell them apart. This thread is yet another smokescreen to deflect from the truth, leading us down a blind alley and a tasteless one at that.

I don't think it's tasteless! AE would t do it as she didn't know them at all! Julie should never have been the ones to identify those little boys. She wasn't family and it should have been colin. Jane is right though this cannot be undone but it is worthy of debate imo.

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Re: How Many People Knew The Twins
« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2017, 03:47:PM »
Absolutely Jane it's not just about "how many people knew the twins" but whether they could tell them apart. This thread is yet another smokescreen to deflect from the truth, leading us down a blind alley and a tasteless one at that.

I see those little lives as being very limited by their diversification, Steve. Sure, they had their London life, but it was a part time life. Some of it with Sheila. Some of it with Colin. I suspect that neither allowed them much time to put down roots. Then there were the forays to WHF where life would have been even more limited. A rather jolly, but busy, Grandpa. A very reserved, and busy, Grandma. An occasional Uncle Jeremy. An even more occasional Great Aunt Pam. No playmates of their own age. What starts off as looking diverse suddenly starts to look limited. As would have been those who knew them and were close to them.

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Re: How Many People Knew The Twins
« Reply #12 on: May 13, 2017, 03:55:PM »
I don't think it's tasteless! AE would t do it as she didn't know them at all! Julie should never have been the ones to identify those little boys. She wasn't family and it should have been colin. Jane is right though this cannot be undone but it is worthy of debate imo.

I'm rapidly tiring of this sad carousel, Notsure. The past can NOT be changed! It's irrelevant who SHOULD/SHOULDN'T have identified the twins. The relevant point is, THEY DIDN'T, and it fell to Julie. I've held no candle to her in the past, but for God's sake, the girl was 20!! Do you imagine she fought tooth and claw to be first in line to identify them, because unless I'm VERY much mistaken, THAT'S what appears to be suggested by several. Sorry. Rant over. As you were :-[ :-[

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« Reply #13 on: May 13, 2017, 04:06:PM »
I see those little lives as being very limited by their diversification, Steve. Sure, they had their London life, but it was a part time life. Some of it with Sheila. Some of it with Colin. I suspect that neither allowed them much time to put down roots. Then there were the forays to WHF where life would have been even more limited. A rather jolly, but busy, Grandpa. A very reserved, and busy, Grandma. An occasional Uncle Jeremy. An even more occasional Great Aunt Pam. No playmates of their own age. What starts off as looking diverse suddenly starts to look limited. As would have been those who knew them and were close to them.
There were a few kids from Herbie's set they used to play with, and considering what they'd been through with their mother's illness and then the fostering they had emerged remarkably unscathed. It was Jeremy who was their main threat, but this went unnoticed faced with the severity of Sheila's illness. Colin gave them the rich social and educational experiences they had so sadly lacked and it's little wonder faced with the choices of relatives you mention they gravitated towards their father.

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Re: How Many People Knew The Twins
« Reply #14 on: May 13, 2017, 04:08:PM »
I'm rapidly tiring of this sad carousel, Notsure. The past can NOT be changed! It's irrelevant who SHOULD/SHOULDN'T have identified the twins. The relevant point is, THEY DIDN'T, and it fell to Julie. I've held no candle to her in the past, but for God's sake, the girl was 20!! Do you imagine she fought tooth and claw to be first in line to identify them, because unless I'm VERY much mistaken, THAT'S what appears to be suggested by several. Sorry. Rant over. As you were :-[ :-[
She didn't fight tooth and claw though did she! A fag was the only requirement. She said she was hoping to use telepathic powers to find out what had happened, yet she supposedly knew since 1984.