A question for Jackie:

[susan]

I've wondered why any police force frame anyone Caroline. There doesn't have to be a fantastic reason as far as I can tell. I think we should all be worried how this happens.

Hi notsure

in some cases police forces are under pressure from the media and public to get a conviction I suspect this was the case with the Birmingham 6 and Guildford 4 in other cases they are confident their suspect is guilty and they have no evidence so they engineer some other cases are very political and they get pressurised from outside forces.

[Jane]

He's my hero!

Mine too! Rock On Dylan!!!!!

[guest2181]

Mine too! Rock On Dylan!!!!!

The recent Minneapolis Mural is pretty cool.

[Caroline]

I'm not aware of the exact dynamics involved at the time, regarding Boutflour / Simpson - Ainsley / Kenneally and Mugford / Jones.  Several things are supposed to have happened on the same day - and I suspect the scheming behind the scenes had already began in earnest.

DCI Jones dealt with Jeremy Bamber professionally.  If he 'interrogated' him or interviewed him - it blows out of the water any claims he was blind to Jeremy's alleged murderous scheming.

Not one poster on here has yet explained why the deputy head of CID would want (or allow himself to be involved in) a mass murderer going free? 

At which point did the press become scathing of police?

Well, they wouldn't and they didn't let it happen.

[Caroline]

I hate Bob Dylan.  Some people compare him to Shakespeare.  I cannot stand his nasally whining voice and convoluted lyrics.  Prefer a catchy tune.

Now here is something I will agree with you on! Can't stand him either - hippy music!

[Adam]

Similar to David's palm print/'forensic evidence breakthough, it is disappointing that Roch, Jackie & Mike have information on here which they won't share on the forum. Or even say where they got it from.

Not sure why they mention it in the first place.

Especially Roch who mentions his inside information daily and says it shows Sheila "definately committed the massacre".

Mike's picture of Sheila on the bed would also be very helpful to Bamber. Mike said a long time ago it was given to his lawyers, but there has been no further updates.

Most of Jackie's posts are about Julie, so it would have made a change if she had enlightened the forum with details of the "new information" she said she had received on the 13th May. However Jackie has refused point blank to expand. 

Not sure why new information is withheld on this forum. Withholding new evidence or keeping secret on what is being investigated is not a tactic of Bamber, the OS, 360 & the CT. Who all use the media & internet to tell the world what is happening.

[Caroline]

Ha ha.  Bit of big daft galoot on screen (apart from in Spender?).  Bit too 'Geordie' for me.

why aye!  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84jwrWMp5js

[Caroline]

They persisted with complaints that it couldn't have been Sheila (thereby insinuating it could have been Jeremy). DCI Jones became enraged and shouted 'I dont have to put up with this' or words to that effect.

Other detectives also present then began to explain some information to Peter and Anthony (both gun experts) and possibly also Ann.  This resulted in either Peter / Anthony or both accepting that Sheila could have indeed been responsible for the killings.   They already knew that Jeremy had been the informant of the incident and had told police his sister had mental health issues etc etc etc.  So this other information (that was able to subdue the relatives) was additional information. 

In answer to your question - I do not believe they will give an honest account of exactly what that information was - probably because such a frank disclosure would counter the information that they have already gone on record as parroting from the Ainsley era.

Yes, you have mentioned this before but 'accepted'? Don't you mean 'considered'?

We don't know what they new at the time of the meeting with Jones, so anything would be additional, not necessarily compelling though.

[lookout]

I've wondered why any police force frame anyone Caroline. There doesn't have to be a fantastic reason as far as I can tell. I think we should all be worried how this happens.

Easily------by using various Sections and Subsections in their " books of rules ".

[notsure]

Hi notsure

in some cases police forces are under pressure from the media and public to get a conviction I suspect this was the case with the Birmingham 6 and Guildford 4 in other cases they are confident their suspect is guilty and they have no evidence so they engineer some other cases are very political and they get pressurised from outside forces.

Yes I think that too but it's terrible and those that have done it don't seem to ever get punished.

[Caroline]

I've wondered why any police force frame anyone Caroline. There doesn't have to be a fantastic reason as far as I can tell. I think we should all be worried how this happens.

I don't have to wonder because it happened to someone I know. I'm not naive enough to believe the boys in blue always work in the best interests of Joe Public but in this case, they would have had to go against their own best interests just to appease and old farmer and his family. 

[Caroline]

Yes I think that too but it's terrible and those that have done it don't seem to ever get punished.

In this case they weren't under pressure because they had a culprit and according to Roch, they had the right one. They had to be pretty sure that Bamber was responsible to change and make themselves look stupid. I would imagine that something like that would require a LOT of internal questions being asked and the risk f being caught in some kind of conspiracy for more likely.

[Adam]

I wonder why AH told David to not reveal the'forensic evidence breakthrough' because it "would give the crown more time to prepare".

Prior to the 2012 CCRC submission the whole country knew what was going to be submitted. The 'Tonight' programme aired a half hour documentary on it.

[lookout]

Essex police are dealing with a case from 16 years ago where apparently they hadn't investigated  properties/garages which had been right under their noses at the time the murder of a child had been committed. There were 750 officers drafted to search areas near to where the girl had gone missing in 2001.
 

[maggie]

Mine too! Rock On Dylan!!!!!