A question for Jackie:

[Roch]

I don't think that's a very good idea.

Jackie & Roch already have new top secret information which they are not going to post. And Mike has a picture of Sheila on the bed which he is not going to post.

You doing what all other supporters do of making big statements with no source & not revealing alledged new information will not enhance the forum.

Adam,

Why worry?  You can take a similar line to other members and reject what is being claimed or remain sceptical - on the grounds that no evidence has been provided to the contrary.

You can also rely upon the CCRC to reject Jeremy's next submissions, for example on a technicality or point of law.  Jeremy isn't going anywhere.  He will probably die in prison - because EP can just signpost to CCRC.  CCRC have EP's back and can also rely on previous appeals having narrowed down the scope of what can be classed as a new ground.

[susan]

Adam,

Why worry?  You can take a similar line to other members and reject what is being claimed or remain sceptical - on the grounds that no evidence has been provided to the contrary.

You can also rely upon the CCRC to reject Jeremy's next submissions, for example on a technicality or point of law.  Jeremy isn't going anywhere.  He will probably die in prison - because EP can just signpost to CCRC.  CCRC have EP's back and can also rely on previous appeals having narrowed down the scope of what can be classed as a new ground.

Hi Roch

your post seems so negative I do hope what you say could happen wont happen.  I hope Jeremy has a good Legal Team that can overcome any of the things you have stated.  Other people have overcome and had their submissions accepted.  If an innocent man dies in prison for a crime he did not commit I don't suppose the people who put in there will bat an eye lid sadly they are only thinking of themselves.

[Roch]

Hi Roch

your post seems so negative I do hope what you say could happen wont happen.  I hope Jeremy has a good Legal Team that can overcome any of the things you have stated.  Other people have overcome and had their submissions accepted.  If an innocent man dies in prison for a crime he did not commit I don't suppose the people who put in there will bat an eye lid sadly they are only thinking of themselves.

The case is too political Susan.  It's a Pandora's Box of corruption and failed processes.  How would authorities explain that it was known from day one that Sheila was the killer and that police collected and knew about the evidence indicating this - but have managed to knowingly send an innocent man to prison and fail to uncover expose the truth after two reviews and two appeals?  That's just the start of it.  The case brings in to question the validity of so many processes and practices in the justice system.  It's a nightmare scenario for the authorities.

As one of the mafia bosses said on the film Casino... "Why take the risk?"

[susan]

The case is too political Susan.  It's a Pandora's Box of corruption and failed processes.  How would authorities explain that it was known from day one that Sheila was the killer and that police collected and knew about the evidence indicating this - but have managed to knowingly send an innocent man to prison and fail to uncover the truth after two reviews and two appeals?  That's just the start of it.  The case brings in to question the validity of so many processes and practices in the justice system.  It's a nightmare scenario for the authorities.

As one of the mafia bosses said on the film Casino... "Why take the risk?"

Roch
I understand where you are coming from but the Birmingham 6 and the Guildford and indeed the Cardiff 3 were all MOJ evidence either ignored or tampered with they can usually come up with feeble excuses as to why it happened.  The JB case needs some high profile people who will not allow this to happen and an innocent man is freed after all these years it is frightening to think this happens but I know it does Edy Guilfoyle is another one lookout knows all about that case (apologise if I have spelt his name incorrectly

[Roch]

And how would the relatives explain that they have gone on record in the media, parroting the case under DCS Michael Ainsley - but not discussing what they were told by DCI Thomas Jones in the beginning?  It doesn't look good for them when you consider this point.  Relatives have gone out of their way in the media to do this.

At some point, somebody is going to say... 'hang on... why have you not gone on record in the media talking about what the original case evidence was?' 

It's all very messy for them too.  Their only option in my opinion is to attempt to blame police for allegedly withholding facts from them.  Facts which would have ended their crusade against Jeremy.

Police will be left holding the baby - because the relatives will do what they do best - look after themselves and their own interests.

[lookout]

The timing of the coming general election couldn't be worse either as all thoughts will be more towards that and far less likely about who should be in prison and who should not.

Well for spite to those reaping the benefits I hope Labour win and sting them for 50% tax !
 I can dream,I suppose.

[JackieD]

I gather you're talking about the marks on Nevill's back and whether the rifle end could have caused it etc?  The TV programme said it was a work in progress, I know it was very expensive and wasn't completed in time.

It did seem unfair that after all the work, funded by supporters, they weren't allowed to complete the tests in US before they had to present submission.  Whether there was an ulterior motive is questionable but it's a possibility, the establishment looks after it's own imo.

I'm not convinced the CCRC is completely neutral as it's supposed to be, also I'm sure it's snowed under with applications for submissions.  Like everything else in the public sector it's underfunded and under staffed which doesn't help at all and makes everything even more difficult for anyone who claims innocence.

I absolutely agree Maggie

[JackieD]

Hello Maggie I don't think we were duped as such in the good old days I for one just followed the majority without any clue about anything and then I followed the guilty again clueless and here I am 4 years on still clueless but I must admit I have tremendous faith in Roch and he believes strongly that Sheila murdered her family so I am interested in anything he has to say

Ditto and I don't mind how kin I have to wait

[JackieD]

And how would the relatives explain that they have gone on record in the media, parroting the case under DCS Michael Ainsley - but not discussing what they were told by DCI Thomas Jones in the beginning?  It doesn't look good for them when you consider this point.  Relatives have gone out of their way in the media to do this.

At some point, somebody is going to say... 'hang on... why have you not gone on record in the media talking about what the original case evidence was?' 

It's all very messy for them too.  Their only option in my opinion is to attempt to blame police for allegedly withholding facts from them.  Facts which would have ended their crusade against Jeremy.

Police will be left holding the baby - because the relatives will do what they do best - look after themselves and their own interests.

You underestimate the power of the public and their expectation of our justice system and maybe a policeman with something he has waited for the right time to say something

[susan]

And how would the relatives explain that they have gone on record in the media, parroting the case under DCS Michael Ainsley - but not discussing what they were told by DCI Thomas Jones in the beginning?  It doesn't look good for them when you consider this point.  Relatives have gone out of their way in the media to do this.

At some point, somebody is going to say... 'hang on... why have you not gone on record in the media talking about what the original case evidence was?' 

It's all very messy for them too.  Their only option in my opinion is to attempt to blame police for allegedly withholding facts from them.  Facts which would have ended their crusade against Jeremy.

Police will be left holding the baby - because the relatives will do what they do best - look after themselves and their own interests.

Roch
if it comes down to it lies will be told and the police will be blamed after all it was their job to investigate the case and present the necessary evidence to the powers that be I am sure they will wriggle out of it and nobody will be blamed but I guess if JB gets released that is all that matters.

[susan]

You underestimate the power of the public and their expectation of our justice system and maybe a policeman with something he has waited for the right time to say something

Hi Jackie
you could be right quite often somebody will speak out when the time is right for them and the public should have a large influence as they are sick of this corruption.  We have some excellent police but we have a few rotten apples who need to be sorted out and sacked.

[Caroline]

And how would the relatives explain that they have gone on record in the media, parroting the case under DCS Michael Ainsley - but not discussing what they were told by DCI Thomas Jones in the beginning?  It doesn't look good for them when you consider this point.  Relatives have gone out of their way in the media to do this.

At some point, somebody is going to say... 'hang on... why have you not gone on record in the media talking about what the original case evidence was?' 

It's all very messy for them too.  Their only option in my opinion is to attempt to blame police for allegedly withholding facts from them.  Facts which would have ended their crusade against Jeremy.

Police will be left holding the baby - because the relatives will do what they do best - look after themselves and their own interests.

But you just said the police didn't withhold evidence from them, in fact they were told 'something' which proved Sheila was the killer. If you and others know what this something was, then it hasn't been withheld. I fail to see how anyone would be party to this information outside of the people who were party to it at the time.

Jones interrogated Jeremy, are you saying he'd have done this in full knowledge of knowing he was innocent? I think under such circumstances his superiors would have made sure he was kept away from Jeremy. It's one thing to keep a secret such as this (although I don't believe he and others would have - no motive) but quite another to take part in the downfall - especially when you fought so hard to keep him from being arrested in the first place.

[Caroline]

I don't blame you Caroline and I feel very much the same, as innocents we were all duped too many times waiting for the great revelation which never came or was at best ambiguous and of little consequence.

Exactly.

[JackieD]

Hi Jackie
you could be right quite often somebody will speak out when the time is right for them and the public should have a large influence as they are sick of this corruption.  We have some excellent police but we have a few rotten apples who need to be sorted out and sacked.

It's just a matter of time Susan you wait and see

[lookout]

Speaking about police,if anyone watched the sad series about Rhys Jones,a certain officer who worked tirelessly to hunt down the killer/s of the little boy along with the gruesome parents of the killers accomplices,ended up with a rebuff from his higher-ups .
Because of this officer's grit and determination and his proving to others how an investigation should be conducted,without the bribes and deals that had been offered,he'd obviously become the thorn in the side of those who would have taken an easier option.

Instead of being rewarded for his work,the DS was stripped of his title to DCI after putting in 30 years work and ready for retirement. How's that for teamwork ?? Not !
Is honesty and hard work the best policy ? You decide.