A question for Jackie:

[JackieD]

I disagree, we've had these sensational claims before, upon closer inspection each and every time they have been found wanting. That is the normal pattern. Why should anybody think it will be different this time?

I don't think we can simply rely on your interpretation, you are unable to even interpret the evidence which IS available correctly.

Anybody who disagrees with me clearly lacks judgement. 

You and your mates have nothing to worry about then have you?

[JackieD]

Hi Caroline, I agree we have seen various ambiguous examples of 'evidence' which are always down to an individual's interpretation which for me have never convinced but we know Roch isn't a fool. therefore personally I do tend to believe whatever he has seen must stand as it is without ambiguity.  It's interesting and hope we get to hear more about it before too long. 

The thing is Maggie the last time evidence was being put together for the CCRC submission all of a sudden the the closing date for the application was mysteriously announced when gun tests were in process

I wonder why the CCRC would do that in the middle of very important evidence being collected

[Adam]

It would be foolish for me to think that you could be persuaded on this.  Especially since, as you rightly point out, I have not provided any of the evidence in question. 

I was not persuaded by the wallet situation - and to be fair - you did provide the information in that instance.

Regarding the evidence I am referring to, I personally do not think it is the kind of evidence that is open to interpretation.  This is why I described it using terms such as 'blatant'  and 'obvious'. 

However, I have very little confidence in the CCRC.  My fear is that the authorities are 'trying to keep him in on a technicality'.  Therefore, some way will probably be found to dismiss the evidence anyway.

You'll be kicking yourself when you realise what it is 

Why can't you reveal it on here ?

If Jackie reveals her received new information she mentioned 3 days ago & you you're information,  all we need then is Mike to post his photo of Sheila on the bed.

[maggie]

The thing is Maggie the last time evidence was being put together for the CCRC submission all of a sudden the the closing date for the application was mysteriously announced when gun tests were in process

I wonder why the CCRC would do that in the middle of very important evidence being collected

I gather you're talking about the marks on Nevill's back and whether the rifle end could have caused it etc?  The TV programme said it was a work in progress, I know it was very expensive and wasn't completed in time.

It did seem unfair that after all the work, funded by supporters, they weren't allowed to complete the tests in US before they had to present submission.  Whether there was an ulterior motive is questionable but it's a possibility, the establishment looks after it's own imo.

I'm not convinced the CCRC is completely neutral as it's supposed to be, also I'm sure it's snowed under with applications for submissions.  Like everything else in the public sector it's underfunded and under staffed which doesn't help at all and makes everything even more difficult for anyone who claims innocence.

[Adam]

I gather you're talking about the marks on Nevill's back and whether the rifle end could have caused it etc?  The TV programme said it was a work in progress, I know it was very expensive and wasn't completed in time.

It did seem unfair that after all the work, funded by supporters, they weren't allowed to complete the tests in US before they had to present submission.  Whether there was an ulterior motive is questionable but it's a possibility, the establishment looks after it's own imo.

I'm not convinced the CCRC is completely neutral as it's supposed to be, also I'm sure it's snowed under with applications for submissions.  Like everything else in the public sector it's underfunded and under staffed which doesn't help at all and makes everything even more difficult for anyone who claims innocence.

Have you got a source that it was not completed on time ?

The last CCRC application was 10 years after the COA application. The CCRC extended the time for Bamber to complete his submission.

His Judicial Review on the rejection was also dismissed.

[susan]

I don't blame you Caroline and I feel very much the same, as innocents we were all duped too many times waiting for the great revelation which never came or was at best ambiguous and of little consequence.

Hello Maggie I don't think we were duped as such in the good old days I for one just followed the majority without any clue about anything and then I followed the guilty again clueless and here I am 4 years on still clueless but I must admit I have tremendous faith in Roch and he believes strongly that Sheila murdered her family so I am interested in anything he has to say

[maggie]

Have you got a source that it was not completed on time ?

The last CCRC application was 10 years after the COA application. The CCRC extended the time for Bamber to complete his submission.

His Judicial Review on the rejection was also dismissed.

I have got a memory Adam and I do remember all that but thanks anyway.  My source is my brain. 

[lookout]

Hello Maggie I don't think we were duped as such in the good old days I for one just followed the majority without any clue about anything and then I followed the guilty again clueless and here I am 4 years on still clueless but I must admit I have tremendous faith in Roch and he believes strongly that Sheila murdered her family so I am interested in anything he has to say

I've gone along with my own senses,Susan,and stuck to them. I can read people like a book.

[Adam]

I have got a memory Adam and I do remember all that but thanks anyway.  My source is my brain. 

The Judicial review on the 2012 CCRC decision does not mention time constraints. I will post the source.

[Adam]

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8263.msg392402.html#msg392402

[Adam]

Hello Maggie I don't think we were duped as such in the good old days I for one just followed the majority without any clue about anything and then I followed the guilty again clueless and here I am 4 years on still clueless but I must admit I have tremendous faith in Roch and he believes strongly that Sheila murdered her family so I am interested in anything he has to say

The problem is the mountain of forensic evidence shows it wasn't Sheila.

Roch has never provided any sources & is currently saying he knows something but is not going to say what. But you've been taken in.

[susan]

Think we're all fools at times Roch.  

I am a believer in the Open Mind, maybe we should form a club ... The Open Mind Club for all who are of an open mind (obviously  ).

I agree it is hard to reconsider, especially after so many false starts related to this case, think there is a definitely weariness and wariness and for good reason particularly among those who have been members for a long time. 

I am ever an optimist so  shall watch this space. 

Maggie I shall watch this space with you we all know Roch is very upfront and honest and would not make anything up or see something and take from it his own scenario.  As far as guilty is concerned only a couple of bits of evidence have been presented and IMO they are both suspect everything else on here is somebody's opinion :)may I add this is how I see things now

[maggie]

The problem is the mountain of forensic evidence shows it wasn't Sheila.

And Roch has never provided any sources & is currently saying he knows something but is not going to reveal it. But you've been taken in.

Have I Adam?  Who says I have been taken in just because I and others believe Roch has a right to post up what he has seen? 

I am not in a personal fight with anyone either guilter or innocent so to my mind you are my friend, you lucky thing. 

[Adam]

Have I Adam?  Who says I have been taken in just because I and others believe Roch has a right to post up what he has seen? 

I am not in a personal fight with anyone either guilter or innocent so to my mind you are my friend, you lucky thing. 

I responded to Susans post.

[susan]

I've gone along with my own senses,Susan,and stuck to them. I can read people like a book.

Hi lookout I know from the start when we all joined you thought Jeremy innocent and you have stuck with it well done for having a mind of your own not a sheep like me