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Offline Lucy522

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Re: How many minutes before the police would have rumbled Julie ?
« Reply #30 on: May 11, 2017, 04:21:PM »
Everything is falling into place -

Julie went for a solo frame because according to Bamber, he 'jilted her'.

The relatives went for a collective frame because they wanted the inheritance.

The police engaged with both & thought 'why the hell not frame Bamber'.


Poor Bamber didn't have a clue what was going down while he was sipping champagne in Pevensey, Eastbourne, Amsterdam, London, St Tropez & at the funeral.

Finally Adam you've seen the light haha

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Re: How many minutes before the police would have rumbled Julie ?
« Reply #31 on: May 11, 2017, 05:06:PM »
Everything is falling into place -

Julie went for a solo frame because according to Bamber, he 'jilted her'.

The relatives went for a collective frame because they wanted the inheritance.

The police engaged with both & thought 'why the hell not frame Bamber'.


Poor Bamber didn't have a clue what was going down while he was sipping champagne in Pevensey, Eastbourne, Amsterdam, London, St Tropez & at the funeral.

No.

Part 1 - The relatives convinced themselves Jeremy was guilty.

Part 2 - The relatives then convinced several members of the police Jeremy was guilty.

Part 3 - The relatives and several members of the police convinced Julie that Jeremy was guilty. And that she had to play along or else she would go down with him.

Part 4 - The relatives , several members of the police and with Julie's word then convinced the majority of Essex police that Jeremy was guilty.

Snowball effect

"Metaphorically, a snowball effect is a process that starts from an initial state of small significance and builds upon itself, becoming larger (graver, more serious), and also perhaps potentially dangerous or disastrous."

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Re: How many minutes before the police would have rumbled Julie ?
« Reply #32 on: May 11, 2017, 06:27:PM »
No.

Part 1 - The relatives convinced themselves Jeremy was guilty.

Part 2 - The relatives then convinced several members of the police Jeremy was guilty.

Part 3 - The relatives and several members of the police convinced Julie that Jeremy was guilty. And that she had to play along or else she would go down with him.

Part 4 - The relatives , several members of the police and with Julie's word then convinced the majority of Essex police that Jeremy was guilty.

Snowball effect

could not have said it better myself. This is exactly how I see it.

"Metaphorically, a snowball effect is a process that starts from an initial state of small significance and builds upon itself, becoming larger (graver, more serious), and also perhaps potentially dangerous or disastrous."

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Re: How many minutes before the police would have rumbled Julie ?
« Reply #33 on: May 11, 2017, 06:34:PM »
Yes,you can see how things gathered momentum from the beginning,well, when there was dissatisfaction about the 4 murders and a suicide verdict.It couldn't have been more obvious.

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Re: How many minutes before the police would have rumbled Julie ?
« Reply #34 on: May 11, 2017, 06:51:PM »
Yes,you can see how things gathered momentum from the beginning,well, when there was dissatisfaction about the 4 murders and a suicide verdict.It couldn't have been more obvious.

I believe that's exactly what happened lookout (the snowball effect) Lookout,

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Re: How many minutes before the police would have rumbled Julie ?
« Reply #35 on: May 11, 2017, 08:16:PM »
I believe that's exactly what happened lookout (the snowball effect) Lookout,

So why was Liz Rimmington brought into play and Malcolm McDonald? When did the police tell Julie she had to stand against Bamber? Was that before she told Susan Battersby and Liz Rimmington? If so EP were taking a risk and trusting her not to reveal anything to Jeremy. If they roped Julie in after she told them, then it still means she thought he was guilty because it means she was accusing him of murder before the police got to her. And why make up the hit man story and involve MM?
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Re: How many minutes before the police would have rumbled Julie ?
« Reply #36 on: May 11, 2017, 08:20:PM »
Yes,you can see how things gathered momentum from the beginning,well, when there was dissatisfaction about the 4 murders and a suicide verdict.It couldn't have been more obvious.

I bet Bamber got a shock when he returned from sipping champagne in St Tropez.
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Re: How many minutes before the police would have rumbled Julie ?
« Reply #37 on: May 11, 2017, 09:05:PM »
David has gone to a lot of trouble to incriminate Julie, all to no avail. It's quite possible that Jeremy was told about the bible being on Sheila's chest by Police that first morning, and as we know anyway the scene was not exactly as recorded in the photographs by PC Bird as was related by another Police Officer(whose name escapes me for the moment). Why on earth would Julie introduce Matthew Macdonald into the equation if she's desperate to be believed at this stage? The sum of £2000 was the debt Jeremy owed his father and therefore probably stuck in his head, and as in the David Bain case debts can play a part in the demise of another.

The point about the second telephone call as DS Jones asked is why telephone Julie at all, if not to impart to her that all the family had been killed?  The telephone call is crucial, not the timing of it but the fact that it gives Jeremy knowledge of the crime at that early stage.

As for the bicycle, it was at Bourtree Cottage when Julie arrived on Saturday 3rd August and remained for a month after the murders. It was covered in the yellow sulphurous mud typical of the area suggesting that it had been used at one point, and unlikely to be a female being left in that state.
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Re: How many minutes before the police would have rumbled Julie ?
« Reply #38 on: May 11, 2017, 09:11:PM »
Bamber did look tanned & fit when returning from St Tropez. The dips in the pool must have negated the calorie intake from the champayne sipping.
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Re: How many minutes before the police would have rumbled Julie ?
« Reply #39 on: May 11, 2017, 09:27:PM »
Bamber did look tanned & fit when returning from St Tropez. The dips in the pool must have negated the calorie intake from the champayne sipping.
And why not say "I'm innocent", instead of meekly accepting his fate, which was to recur again during Police interrogation?  Jeremy never expressed curiosity as to his parents' injuries, he never speculated how they were caused: he just wanted to bolt from the Farm and begin life anew.

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Re: How many minutes before the police would have rumbled Julie ?
« Reply #40 on: May 11, 2017, 09:38:PM »
And why not say "I'm innocent", instead of meekly accepting his fate, which was to recur again during Police interrogation?  Jeremy never expressed curiosity as to his parents' injuries, he never speculated how they were caused: he just wanted to bolt from the Farm and begin life anew.
To be fair Steve I think if he was innocent such behaviour would be understandable due to trauma. 

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Re: How many minutes before the police would have rumbled Julie ?
« Reply #41 on: May 11, 2017, 09:47:PM »
I do disagree with your statement, Adam, everything is possible therefore nothing is impossible.

It's surprising how vindictive some people who feel diminished and abandoned can be.
Horrendous crimes have been committed by people seeking revenge.

Whichever way I look at it I believe JM behaved really badly.  I have been a 20 year old and brought up daughters both of whom have been 20 so I have some experience of the attitudes of young women of that age  Imo Julie was out of control and appeared to lack a proper sense of right and wrong which cannot be excused by her age. 

In the eyes of the law she was an adult and responsible for her own behaviour.

Absolutely.  She was very dangerous
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Re: How many minutes before the police would have rumbled Julie ?
« Reply #42 on: May 11, 2017, 10:14:PM »


So basically she just reiterated what the police had told the family and what was readily available in the press,

And Jeremy made up he'd paid a hit man to do it,

Why would that be the case when hed told her all along he was going to do it,

How the hell was this admissible in court????

It almost makes me feel like the police deliberately told Ann Eaton things that were false to see how fast they got back to people.

Ditto

Poor old Ann and her memory problems
Doesn't look good does it, so obvious
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Re: How many minutes before the police would have rumbled Julie ?
« Reply #43 on: May 11, 2017, 10:21:PM »
Follow David's post,Adam.I dare you !
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Re: How many minutes before the police would have rumbled Julie ?
« Reply #44 on: May 11, 2017, 11:14:PM »
David has gone to a lot of trouble to incriminate Julie, all to no avail. It's quite possible that Jeremy was told about the bible being on Sheila's chest by Police that first morning, and as we know anyway the scene was not exactly as recorded in the photographs by PC Bird as was related by another Police Officer(whose name escapes me for the moment). Why on earth would Julie introduce Matthew Macdonald into the equation if she's desperate to be believed at this stage? The sum of £2000 was the debt Jeremy owed his father and therefore probably stuck in his head, and as in the David Bain case debts can play a part in the demise of another.

The point about the second telephone call as DS Jones asked is why telephone Julie at all, if not to impart to her that all the family had been killed?  The telephone call is crucial, not the timing of it but the fact that it gives Jeremy knowledge of the crime at that early stage.

As for the bicycle, it was at Bourtree Cottage when Julie arrived on Saturday 3rd August and remained for a month after the murders. It was covered in the yellow sulphurous mud typical of the area suggesting that it had been used at one point, and unlikely to be a female being left in that state.

The bike had mud on it? This changes everything!  ::)