Reason to believe cops shot Sheila, and how her blood ended up inside Silencer!

[lookout]

If Jeremy had been the shooter,and an " ace " one at that,why so many shots to two sleeping children and only two into an adult ?

[Roch]

Sources are required from both guilters & supporters. Especially when making massive claims such as in post 479.

You mean this post

I'm not telling lies...

When I say that physical evidence existed at the scene strongly implicating Sheila Caffell in the killings. 

Regardless of whether Sheila Caffell had or hadn't been alive when TFG entered farmhouse - any police officers who paid sufficient attention inside the building, would have recognised and understood the significance of the evidence.

The nature of the evidence was/is exculpatory with regard to Jeremy: although he was not a police suspect at that time - he very quickly became a suspect in the eyes of some relatives. 

Relatives were provided with information by police on several occasions - to the point were at least two of them accepted Sheila could have committed the killings. 

Relatives chose to reject this information.  The eventual culmination of the relatives choosing this path - was that the evidence that implicated Sheila and exculpated Jeremy was concealed, in order that Jeremy could be prosecuted for the killings. 

All truth - no lies here I'm afraid. 

When the truth is eventually made public - my prediction is that the relatives will continue to try to manipulate and garner sympathy - by blaming the police for the wrongful conviction.  They will express that the police withheld information from them.  Information that if they had have been made aware of - would have prevented their campaign against Jeremy and the original investigating team. 

But it comes full circle.  Because they were told convincing information that had confirmed Sheila's role to police.  They were told Sheila was the killer.   

I bet they also blame Julie Mugford also.  They will blame anyone but themselves

[guest7363]

    The message and radio logs which were withheld from the defence at the initial trial and both appeals. Do you dispute this?
    I would have thought that it was easily inferred which logs I was referring to from the following,
   "First of all the logs ,which mention two bodies downstairs, one male one female etc. were withheld for many years until after the second appeal, I believe"
    There are a few clues here to enable you to discern which logs I am referring to.
    1) The ones that refer to finding two bodies upon entry( one male and one female)
    2) The ones that were withheld for years.
    3) The ones that came to light only after the second appeal.
   
     This is why your claim that it would have been easier to move Sheila's dead body downstairs to the kitchen is ludicrous. It also ignores the fact that EP did withhold/conceal logs which refer to this.
 

So your saying PC Collins statement and Woodcocks statements  20th Sept (raid team) wasn't available to the defence both mention seeing a female on the kitchen floor? PC Collins also says he had mentioned this in his original statement as well, so it seems to me that they are not trying to cover this up? 

[Jane]

If Jeremy had been the shooter,and an " ace " one at that,why so many shots to two sleeping children and only two into an adult ?

Because it wasn't meant to look like the work of a competent shooter and the adult was only meant to have had one.

[lookout]

Because it wasn't meant to look like the work of a competent shooter and the adult was only meant to have had one.

Yeah ! Well it was NEVER the work of a competent shooter,was it ?

[Jane]

Yeah ! Well it was NEVER the work of a competent shooter,was it ?

He made an excellent job of making it look incompetent until his mistake with Sheila. It caused you to comment on the seeming INcompetence.

[lookout]

He made an excellent job of making it look incompetent until his mistake with Sheila. It caused you to comment on the seeming INcompetence.

An even more of an impossible task when he wasn't even there !

[Jane]

An even more of an impossible task when he wasn't even there !

You prove it. I don't need to prove anything.

[Roch]

You prove it. I don't need to prove anything.

The evidence from the scene that indicates Sheila, points away from Jeremy.  Jeremy would not have been able to create this evidence.  If this evidence had been properly disclosed from the outset - there would have been no trial against Jeremy.

[lookout]

You prove it. I don't need to prove anything.

Well it's certainly no hardship on your part at all not proving anything for as far as you're concerned the job was done. Those of us who use our brains can see the cracks which had been papered over by those responsible for their shonky investigations and statements,which takes more brain power than just locking a door and throwing away the key.
Left to you,the prisons would be packed to the gunnels with innocent people,while you sit back arguing the toss without a care for anyone but yourself. 

[Caroline]

The evidence from the scene that indicates Sheila, points away from Jeremy.  Jeremy would not have been able to create this evidence.  If this evidence had been properly disclosed from the outset - there would have been no trial against Jeremy.

What evidence?

[Caroline]

The only evidence that could point away from Jeremy an onto Sheila would be something like a suicide note, written in her handwriting? The rifle would be the same in both instances, the amo - nothing about the scene needs to change in both circumstances - but if there was a suicide note .........?

[Jane]

Well it's certainly no hardship on your part at all not proving anything for as far as you're concerned the job was done. Those of us who use our brains can see the cracks which had been papered over by those responsible for their shonky investigations and statements,which takes more brain power than just locking a door and throwing away the key.
Left to you,the prisons would be packed to the gunnels with innocent people,while you sit back arguing the toss without a care for anyone but yourself.

It was using my brain to see the cracks in supporters' walls which caused me to change from innocent to guilty. Left to you, the guilty would be 'disposed of' without a backward glance.

[Roch]

The only evidence that could point away from Jeremy an onto Sheila would be something like a suicide note, written in her handwriting? The rifle would be the same in both instances, the amo - nothing about the scene needs to change in both circumstances - but if there was a suicide note .........?

Afraid I cant cooperate in a process of elimination with regard to 'what evidence?'.  Therefore I cannot confirm either way on anything suggested.  I understand this is of no use to you but it's the position I am in.  What I know - you will also come to know - but when is out of my hands entirely.

[Jane]

Afraid I cant cooperate in a process of elimination with regard to 'what evidence?'.  Therefore I cannot confirm either way on anything suggested.  I understand this is of no use to you but it's the position I am in.  What I know - you will also come to know - but when is out of my hands entirely.

You've placed yourself in a very elevated position here, haven't you, Roch. It could seem like you're carrot dangling.