Author Topic: Reason to believe cops shot Sheila, and how her blood ended up inside Silencer!  (Read 78669 times)

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Hi Justice. Interesting - but there is / was no proof that any wetsuit was linked to the murders.   I think Janes is implying that the evidence I'm referring to is lies?
Quite right Roch, I think a lot of proof was lost early doors, it was a theory put forward and makes sense though?

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Roch, I don't think I could have made my question more clear. Supporters are saying that, amongst other things, lies were told which helped convict Jeremy, and because of that, innocent or guilty, he should be released. My question is, should lies be told to obtain a conviction for those who allegedly told the lies, would supporters say the conviction should be quashed?

OK I think I get the gist now.  Turn it on its' head.  If lies have to be told in order to convict somebody (or for that matter, evidence has to be concealed) how likely is that the person was never guilty in the first place?
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Hi Justice. Interesting - but there is / was no proof that any wetsuit was linked to the murders.   I think Janes is implying that the evidence I'm referring to is lies?
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OI!! I didn't say that and I wasn't implying it!!

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Hi Susan,

I may have been wrong in my interpretation of some aspects, nuances, documents etc over the years - but then again, so may have many others on here from both sides of the divide, so to speak.  Sometimes it comes down to opinions or even spin.

I am not known for leading members up the garden path.  Neither is the evidence I am referring to, likely to be open to interpretation.
Right so if it's 'conclusive' evidence of Jeremy's innocence, how come those who know about (and to be fair including yourself) are sitting on it?
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OK I think I get the gist now.  Turn it on its' head.  If lies have to be told in order to convict somebody (or for that matter, evidence has to be concealed) how likely is that the person was never guilty in the first place?

NO! Just because lies may be told to get a conviction, it doesn't mean the defendant is innocent.

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Either Roch's finally put me on ignore. Which he said he was going to do. Then changed his mind and continued responding to my posts.

Or he's just not answering my simple questions in response to his long post, 479. Which made huge never before made claims. Without elaborating or providing any proof. 
« Last Edit: May 02, 2017, 09:02:PM by Adam »
'Only I know what really happened that night'.

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I think you are mistaking me for you
I couldn't repeat on here what he said about you
By the way have you ever spoken to him on the phone?

You haven't spoken or had a letter from him for years MORE LIES! Err no Jackie, I wouldn't want to speak to him on the phone, he's not a celebrity!  ::)
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No one is saying your should explain the motivations of others but in order to put meat on what you are saying, there needs to be reason behind why these individuals would put themselves in such a position. They had the means (I guess) and also the opportunity but what your explanation lacks, is 'motive'. Jeremy had all three means (access the guns and the victims) motive (financial gain) opportunity (they were all sitting ducks at WHF).

The relatives put themselves in that position - partly because they were vultures.  Perhaps they also unwittingly put themselves in that position (to the extent that they were victims of their own arrogance and  used to getting their own way).  They come across as being full of self belief, very judgemental and (like virtully everone else) lacking in knowledge regarding the extent of Sheila's mental health and her circs.  It's a bit of a lethal combination for setting off down a blind alley, away from the truth.   

We may never know exactly how Jeremy's uncle Bobby managed to 'turn' Peter Simpson.

I think there were four sitting ducks for Sheila.  And then there was only one sitting duck left for the relatives.
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It seems that Roch is not going to answer my questions. Which I posted in replies 484 & 520. In response to his reply 479.

I don't mind posters making several huge statements in one long post. Providing they have sources to justify these.

If they have no sources, that is fine as making wild claims that can't be proven is a tactic of most supporters. However it is dangerous as gullible posters like Susan will be influenced by long posts. Even if they are unsourced.

Adam you know me so well I must admit I am influenced by long drawn out posts they have to be true even without sources.

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I think you are mistaking me for you
I couldn't repeat on here what he said about you
By the way have you ever spoken to him on the phone?


When was it he dumped you, then Jackie? Wasn't it around 2011? I guess even you can't repeat what hasn't been said. Oh! but you CAN, can't you. It's your speciality.

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Also, I thought yo said you had never heard him speak ill of anyone? Tut, tut! They just keep coming!
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NO! Just because lies may be told to get a conviction, it doesn't mean the defendant is innocent.

OK.  Do you agree though that telling lies a dangerous strategy to convict a 'guilty' person? It's not exactly a sound base to begin from is it?

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The relatives put themselves in that position - partly because they were vultures.  Perhaps they also unwittingly put themselves in that position (to the extent that they were victims of their own arrogance and  used to getting their own way).  They come across as being full of self belief, very judgemental and (like virtully everone else) lacking in knowledge regarding the extent of Sheila's mental health and her circs.  It's a bit of a lethal combination for setting off down a blind alley, away from the truth.   

We may never know exactly how or Jeremy's uncle Bobby managed to 'turn' Peter Simpson.

I think there four sitting ducks for Sheila.  And then there was only one sitting duck left for the relatives.

Without knowing, there is nothing to prove he did.
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OK.  Do you agree though that telling lies a dangerous strategy to convict a 'guilty' person? It's not exactly a sound base to begin from is it?

I guess they simply fight fire with fire when required.
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Adam you know me so well I must admit I am influenced by long drawn out posts they have to be true even without sources.

Did you not think to ask the questions I did to Roch ?

Or have you already got the answers & sources ? If so please divulge.
« Last Edit: May 02, 2017, 09:12:PM by Adam »
'Only I know what really happened that night'.