Jeremy's assumptions about his sister's meds and relatives' opinions

[Adam]

I seem to recall a video with retired Mick Gradwell from the Lancashire Police mentioning the movement of the rifle, but I was unaware it was deliberately staged, just removed and put back. As for the bible it could easily have been an accoutrement of Sheila's which she brought to the master bedroom on Jeremy's suggestion or was in situ already, and which became bloody upon discharge of the rifle when she wiped her jaw involuntarily after the first shot. I can't see that on its own the exhibit is proof of her exclusive involvement.

You need to provide a source. Otherwise it didn't happen.

Mick Gradwell has only said on video the police made mistakes but it is a safe conviction.

I don't believe the police moved the rifle to the window & then put it back on Sheila for the photographs. Why would they ?

Of course the police moved the rifle after pictures had been taken of Sheila. Which is when the picture of the rifle by the window would be taken.

[Steve_uk]

You need to provide a source. Otherwise it didn't happen.

Mick Gradwell has only said on video the police made mistakes but it is a safe conviction.

I don't believe the police moved the rifle to the window & then put it back on Sheila for the photographs. Why would they ?

Of course the police moved the rifle after pictures had been taken of Sheila. Which is when the picture of the rifle by the window would be taken.

The rifle was moved, but I'm not sure under what circumstances.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/jan/30/jeremy-bamber-appeal-murders-evidence

[Adam]

The rifle was moved, but I'm not sure under what circumstances.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/jan/30/jeremy-bamber-appeal-murders-evidence

I like this - "Forensic scientists found that a page of one officer's official statement had been "typed using a different typewriter"


This article does not say the rifle was taken off Sheila & put by the window, then put back on her for the crime scene photograhers.

[JackiePreece]

A decent documentary on this case could have wiped-out the prosecuton's case several years ago.  But to go that indepth - you need something of the qaulity of 'Rough Justice'. That kind of program hasn't been commissioned for a long time. The angle they used to take was very questioning and critical.  That just doesn't happen in modern programs of that length. 

The police and prosecution have always been able to rely on the relatives crying 'murderer'.  It's a tactic they have used to great effect to impede the truth and protect the staus quo.

I know of 2 great documentary makers that would be perfect to put together a series on the Bamber case
The timing is perfect because of the success of the Nefix making a murder (not a rushed one hour programme)

Just imagine what someone could do with 6 hour long episodes

Every now and then I lose interest in this case because the 'authorities' make it clear they are going to block any chance of this conviction being overturned

But because of the abuse hurled at a lot of people on this forum that believe there is a good chance this is an unsafe conviction I am all fired up again

[David1819]

I know of 2 great documentary makers that would be perfect to put together a series on the Bamber case
The timing is perfect because of the success of the Nefix making a murder (not a rushed one hour programme)

Just imagine what someone could do with 6 hour long episodes

Every now and then I lose interest in this case because the 'authorities' make it clear they are going to block any chance of this conviction being overturned

But because of the abuse hurled at a lot of people on this forum that believe there is a good chance this is an unsafe conviction I am all fired up again

We have no video of the trial  . Trial footage is what makes making a murder so good. Same with the jinx. But I agree there needs to be a long documentary made on this case. At least three episodes an hour each.

[Lucy522]

We have no video of the trial  . Trial footage is what makes making a murder so good. Same with the jinx. But I agree there needs to be a long documentary made on this case. At least three episodes an hour each.

David what are your views On making a murderer?

[guest7363]

David what are your views On making a murderer?

Hi Lucy, go to Podcast and there are about 6x episodes to listen to about Making a Murderer, Jim Clemente and Laura Richards, they take it stage by stage brilliant to listen to 2 professional analysts views.  It's on Real Crime Profile.  Also if you search in Podcast there are 2 series on WHF but not by these 2 people.

[Lucy522]

Hi Lucy, go to Podcast and there are about 6x episodes to listen to about Making a Murderer, Jim Clemente and Laura Richards, they take it stage by stage brilliant to listen to 2 professional analysts views.  It's on Real Crime Profile.  Also if you search in Podcast there are 2 series on WHF but not by these 2 people.

Thanks justice I watched maki.g a murderer twice have you seen it?

[guest7363]

Thanks justice I watched maki.g a murderer twice have you seen it?

Hi Lucy, yes I watched it twice as well, listen to the Podcasts and then tell me what you think?  Remember Netflix only showed you what they wanted you to see to make better viewing, but at the end of the day Steven should get a re trial and Brendan should never have been convicted, that's my view anyway lol.

[Steve_uk]

A decent documentary on this case could have wiped-out the prosecuton's case several years ago.  But to go that indepth - you need something of the qaulity of 'Rough Justice'. That kind of program hasn't been commissioned for a long time. The angle they used to take was very questioning and critical.  That just doesn't happen in modern programs of that length. 

The police and prosecution have always been able to rely on the relatives crying 'murderer'.  It's a tactic they have used to great effect to impede the truth and protect the staus quo.

I thought Rough Justice was discredited after the Sheila Bowler and Eddie Gilfoyle programmes.

[Adam]

The 'Crimes that shook Britain' is the closest thing to a 'Rough Justice' type programme for Bamber. 

With support from Allison, Hunter, Tatchel & Lomax I'm surprised they have not managed to persuade anyone to make a total pro Bamber documentary on the case. Or maybe  CTSB was that documentary, which Hunter was in. Eric Allison has also appeared in news programmes.

[Steve_uk]

Yes it's interesting going through old posts

Remember posting this Caroline


He had just gone through a traumatic event!! I don't blame him for wanting to get away and the trips were hardly 'lavish'. The farm was being managed and what ever he sold, the item were  HIS to sell!! Sheila was only left 10 grand in Nevill's will and the twins weren't mentioned. This is where 'research' comes in handy and not just repeating what a badly made documentary had to say.

Did you know that Jeremy inherited the Farm only on condition that he was working satisfactorily on it before Nevill's demise and that Nevill's money was left to June?