Jeremy's assumptions about his sister's meds and relatives' opinions

[Lucy522]

Is that you're basis for believing Sheila comnitted the massacre ?That a fit young man holding a rifle couldn't move her a few feet & shoot her.

Sheila was asleep & on Haloperidol. So wouldn't of had a clue what was happening.

You can't explain how Sheila committed the massacre. You've just said Nevill phoned Bamber & the police 16 minutes later after he was shot 4 times. Which was impossible as he couldn't speak. Sheila couldn't brutally beat Nevill. He was 15 stone & 6.4.

When did I say that? And you think it's impossible for a man already incapacitated to be beaten with a rifle? Really?
Stop putting words in my mouth Adam your getting right on my nerves.

[buddy]

Sorry Roch., but I can't support that Nevill would have left Sheila with a gun pointed at her mother, and she could only have shot one person at a time. If she'd shot him first and he'd managed to get past her to go downstairs, wounded, he could just as easily hurled himself at her.

Jane I can assure you that if a armed person was trying to kill you, you would run like the clappers.
I know and I did.

[Lucy522]

Jane I can assure you that if a armed person was trying to kill you, you would run like the clappers.
I know and I did

It's a case of fight or flight it's human nature, a loaded gun being pointed at you you would try to get away as fast as possible I'm sure

[Jane]

Jane I can assure you that if a armed person was trying to kill you, you would run like the clappers.
I know and I did.

You're speaking of yourself. With Nevill's background, he'd have hardly been likely to do the same, leaving his wife and family to the mercy of the shooter.

[lookout]

Sheila was neither physically ill nor incapable. Her mental state was a different kettle of fish. This I know only too well,sadly.

[buddy]

You're speaking of yourself. With Nevill's background, he'd have hardly been likely to do the same, leaving his wife and family to the mercy of the shooter.

Jane you have NEVER been in that position so you cannot possibly know.

[Jane]

Jane you have NEVER been in that position so you cannot possibly know.

Oh, I'd have run -I think- unless I'd been paralyzed with fear, that is. In can't believe Nevill would have A) run B) stayed and done nothing.

[Lucy522]

I asked the same thing several months ago.  How did he know that she would not have become a wildcat in defence of her children (not forgetting the other two adults needing to be also dealt with).  It's proposterous.  One injury received by Jeremy and the game is up.

He didn't, how did he know she wouldn't of picked up another one of the many guns in the house? Call the police? Incapacitate him? Wound him somehow? How did he know they'd all be asleep? He apparently knew there had been a heated discussion that night so casually pops round breaks in through a window when he may have been greeted with any one of them? How would he explain that away?

[Adam]

He didn't, how did he know she wouldn't of picked up another one of the many guns in the house? Call the police? Incapacitate him? Wound him somehow? How did he know they'd all be asleep? He apparently knew there had been a heated discussion that night so casually pops round breaks in through a window when he may have been greeted with any one of them? How would he explain that away?

Sheila call the police or fire a gun while Bamber is trying to commit a 2am massacre ?

Bamber had a strategy which I've just briefly put on another thread. It all seems straight forward to me.

He will be aware of unlikely difficulties but was prepared to take the small risks for the huge rewards. 

The only difficulty he ended up facing was Nevill waking seconds before fatal shots.

[Jane]

He didn't, how did he know she wouldn't of picked up another one of the many guns in the house? Call the police? Incapacitate him? Wound him somehow? How did he know they'd all be asleep? He apparently knew there had been a heated discussion that night so casually pops round breaks in through a window when he may have been greeted with any one of them? How would he explain that away?

I imagine he was VERY certain that she didn't know how to handle guns...............and if she had been, he have assumed that they weren't loaded. As I've said, this is, mostly, about OUR concerns. Jeremy WOULD have believed that everything necessary was in place. Those things which are of concern to us probably never entered his head.

[Lucy522]

Sheila call the police or fire a gun while Bamber is trying to commit a 2am massacre ?

Bamber had a stategy which I've just briefly put on another thread. It all seems straight forward to me.

He will be aware of unlikely difficulties but was prepared to take the small risks for the huge rewards.

Yes Adam we all know how I comrehensible this is, lord knows how poor Sheila managed to get out of bed and into her parents room with the amount of bloody haloperidol she was tAking

[Adam]

Yes Adam we all know how I comrehensible this is, lord knows how poor Sheila managed to get out of bed and into her parents room with the amount of bloody haloperidol she was tAking

I'm sure Bamber helped.

[susan]

Yes Adam we all know how I comrehensible this is, lord knows how poor Sheila managed to get out of bed and into her parents room with the amount of bloody haloperidol she was tAking

Hi Lucy I thought Sheila had had her dose reduced.  JB was taking a great risk carrying out the murders and trying to stage the scene that Sheila had done it.

[Jane]

Yes Adam we all know how I comrehensible this is, lord knows how poor Sheila managed to get out of bed and into her parents room with the amount of bloody haloperidol she was tAking

Lucy, whilst I'm certain she couldn't have run a marathon, I'm equally certain she managed to get out of bed unaided.

[JackiePreece]

Quite.  I realised this long ago!  I suspect you did too Susan.

Spot on