DNA Testing In the 80's

[Roch]

They are on BOTH sides!

The thing is though Caroline, Adam never takes the defence line on anything in any way in any situation.  He would seriously try and argue that Palestine is trying to take over Israel, by way of forced settlements and apartheid. 

[Adam]

The thing is though Caroline, Adam never takes the defence line on anything in any way in any situation.  He would seriously try and argue that Palestine is trying to take over Israel, by way of forced settlements and apartheid.

I know nothing about Palestine.

Shouldn't you be finalising you're scenario of how Sheila 'definately committed the massacre'.

All you've said today is Nevill and June were shot after they couldn't restrain Sheila (although June was in bed),  and you can't explain the phone calls. My questions on this were not answered.

This is slightly more than Mike's Sheila scenario who just said 'by shooting them'.

David is busy working on his 5th scenario attempt, with diagrams and everything. But I've put my faith in you're future scenario as David's had enough chances.

[Caroline]

The thing is though Caroline, Adam never takes the defence line on anything in any way in any situation.  He would seriously try and argue that Palestine is trying to take over Israel, by way of forced settlements and apartheid.

Maybe but that is also true of some innocent supporters. Personally, if something is odd, it's odd. I am interested in what gringo has to say about the logs but am suspicious of anything that comes from the CT. I have some information on the logs and would be happy to engage in serious debate but it always turns personal and to be honest, I've had enough it. I always try to post evidence when I claim something - many don't but I'm sick to death of posting evidence, only to have the denial crew ignore what is staring them in the face or causing so much fuss in order to distract. We could have some interesting debates here and it's a shame it always descends. 

[David1819]

Maybe but that is also true of some innocent supporters. Personally, if something is odd, it's odd. I am interested in what gringo has to say about the logs but am suspicious of anything that comes from the CT. I have some information on the logs and would be happy to engage in serious debate but it always turns personal and to be honest, I've had enough it. I always try to post evidence when I claim something - many don't but I'm sick to death of posting evidence, only to have the denial crew ignore what is staring them in the face or causing so much fuss in order to distract. We could have some interesting debates here and it's a shame it always descends.

The logs are never going to establish anything significant. One can imagine what they like due to the ambiguous nature of the logs. But at the end of the day all they establish is the following.


Jeremy - West 3.23am

West - Bonnet 3.26am

West - Saxby(Witham) 3.30am

West - Jeremy 3.33am

Bonnet - Witham 3.35am

CA7  - Bonnet - 3.48am

Notes
West puts JB on hold - 3.25am
West takes JB off hold - 3.33am


Jeremy calls the police. Police dispatch a car to WHF.

[lookout]

  Esda testing can be carried out on the original copies. This was explained.

I bet it was never carried out though. I wondered about ESDA testing myself a few days ago.
A tedious job but it would finally prove if all logs,etc are as authentic as we're led to believe. 

[Adam]

I bet it was never carried out though. I wondered about ESDA testing myself a few days ago.

I'm sure you did Lookout.

Both logs are comprehensively filled out. So I'm not sure what editing could be done afterwards. 

Supporters claim the logs already show Nevill also called the 5th furthest away police station. So any editing done by the police wasn't very effective.

[lookout]

I'm sure you did Lookout.

Both logs are comprehensively filled out. So I'm not sure what editing could be done afterwards. 

Supporters claim the logs already show Nevill also called the 5th furthest away police station. So any editing done by the police wasn't very effective.

I certainly did ! At the beginning of the week while looking through other police files online.
This is far MORE than just editing.

[Adam]

At least we know ( although no sources have been supplied) that it is just one document Bamber wants. The original police log.

As mentioned, the logs were filled in correctly & even supports Nevill calling the 5th furthest away police station, according to Bamber.  Not sure why the police would edit a document to hinder them.

Anyway, 31 years later, the police are saying they can't locate this document.

[Roch]

I know nothing about Palestine.

Shouldn't you be finalising you're scenario of how Sheila 'definately committed the massacre'.

All you've said today is Nevill and June were shot after they couldn't restrain Sheila (although June was in bed),  and you can't explain the phone calls. My questions on this were not answered.

This is slightly more than Mike's Sheila scenario who just said 'by shooting them'.

David is busy working on his 5th scenario attempt, with diagrams and everything. But I've put my faith in you're future scenario as David's had enough chances.

I think people get my drift Adam. When it comes down to it you are relentlessly trolling the forum.  I think you're more than aware that Sheila was the killer - but you don't care.  You're not going to let a small fact like that get in the way of the job you've come to love on this site. 

[lookout]

I think people get my drift Adam. When it comes down to it you are relentlessly trolling the forum.  I think you're more than aware that Sheila was the killer - but you don't care.  You're not going to let a small fact like that get in the way of the job you've come to love on this site.

Very well put Roch. I'm afraid diplomacy isn't my strongest point but you've saved me a fate worse than death.

[Adam]

I think people get my drift Adam. When it comes down to it you are relentlessly trolling the forum.  I think you're more than aware that Sheila was the killer - but you don't care.  You're not going to let a small fact like that get in the way of the job you've come to love on this site.

I'm not sure my posts & threads show that I'm 'more than aware Sheila was the killer'.

That will change once you provide you're scenario which matches the crime scene. Sheila 'definately committed the massacre' so it won't be hard.

Just saying 'Sheila shot everyone' and 'you can't explain the phone calls' will mean people get the wrong drift.

[susan]

He's a police stooge / troll. 

His roll is to constantly, relentlessly troll the forum, for the purpose of tying-up defence based posters in endless rounds of bile.

Am I right Adam... or is this just another daft conspiracy theory? 

Hi Roch

Adam is a little gossip running to the Red forum with bits of news how sad is that and most of the time is news is not correct

[Roch]

I'm not sure my posts & threads show that I'm 'more than aware Sheila was the killer'.

That will change once you provide you're scenario which matches the crime scene. Sheila 'definately committed the massacre' so it won't be hard.

Just saying 'Sheila shot everyone' and 'you can't explain the phone calls' will mean people get the wrong drift.

I'm really not arsed Adam.  And like I say - where is the reason in attempting to fit together what really took place in the farmhouse - with a false record of phone calls?  The two wouldn't necessarily fit together - as they say.. it's not brain surgery!

You need to work backwards from the true record of phone calls to enable you to try and piece together what really happened in the farmhouse.  Must try harder Adam!

Hi Roch

Adam is a little gossip running to the Red forum with bits of news how sad is that and most of the time is news is not correct

Yeah I've noticed.

[Caroline]

I'm really not arsed Adam.  And like I say - where is the reason in attempting to fit together what really took place in the farmhouse - with a false record of phone calls?  The two wouldn't necessarily fit together - as they say.. it's not brain surgery!

You need to work backwards from the true record of phone calls to enable you to try and piece together what really happened in the farmhouse.  Must try harder Adam!

Yeah I've noticed.

I have done that using Jeremy's own account and his account works out the least. At times he argues he rang the police at 03:26, at others 03:36 depending on the point he is making. There is only one truth and changing from one to the other certainly adds no credibility to his story.

[Adam]

I'm really not arsed Adam.  And like I say - where is the reason in attempting to fit together what really took place in the farmhouse - with a false record of phone calls?  The two wouldn't necessarily fit together - as they say.. it's not brain surgery!

You need to work backwards from the true record of phone calls to enable you to try and piece together what really happened in the farmhouse.  Must try harder Adam!

Yeah I've noticed.

False record of phone calls. Bamber is the one saying the phone calls happened.

There is no harm in saying Nevill did not call the 5th furthest away police station. It won't make Bamber guilty. 

A lot of other supporters don't believe Nevill called EP. You, Lookout & Mike being the exceptions.

Excluding Nevill's call to EP will make you're scenario a bit easier.