DNA Testing In the 80's

[lookout]

So there was no remaining evidence which could be DNA tested that would have benefitted Bamber.

However the police still destroyed this invisible evidence.

Except the silencer of course. Which was tested.

Why have you contradicted yourself ?

[Adam]

Why have you contradicted yourself ?

That's a good question.

The silencer was DNA tested.

But apparently everything else was destroyed to prevent DNA testing. Although no one can say what these items were.

[Caroline]

How would DNA testing on the nightdress benefit Bamber ?

Is there evidence the police kept this for 10 years. Then destroyed it just before DNA testing ? Don't see why they would as they were not aware of the huge advancements in technology that would occur.

They destroyed carpets & bedsheets within days on the massacre.

Well, if the other victims DNA was present on her nightdress - that would benefit Bamber. If it wasn't, then they would be no further forward.

[Adam]

Well, if the other victims DNA was present on her nightdress - that would benefit Bamber. If it wasn't, then they would be no further forward.

I don't know why the police would let the silencer have DNA tests, but dispose of the nightdress to prevent DNA tests. That's if the nightie wasn't destroyed in 1985.

If other peoples blood was on Sheila's nightdress, that would have benefiitted Bamber more. However there wasn't as Bamber's defence team would have checked it. Sheila's blood is nothing to do with DNA.

[Roch]

I don't know why the police would let the silencer have DNA tests, but dispose of the nightdress to prevent DNA tests. That's if the nightie wasn't destroyed in 1985.

If other peoples blood was on Sheila's nightdress, that would have benefiitted Bamber more. However there wasn't as Bamber's defence team would have checked it. Sheila's blood is nothing to do with DNA.

Perhaps in the first instance, the nightie had blood from another victim on it?

Whereas in the second instance, the silencer was an introduced and controlled exhibit?

[Adam]

Perhaps in the first instance, the nightie had blood from another victim on it?

Whereas in the second instance, the silencer was an introduced and controlled exhibit?

Did Stan Jones also fabricate the nightie evidence ?

[Roch]

Did Stan Jones also fabricate the nightie evidence ?

In what sense?

[susan]

Did Stan Jones also fabricate the nightie evidence ?

Adam do we know in what respect the nightie was tested for evidence or indeed if Sheila murdered her family was she actually wearing the said nightie maybe she changed or was changed.

[Adam]

Adam do we know in what respect the nightie was tested for evidence or indeed if Sheila murdered her family was she actually wearing the said nightie maybe she changed or was changed.

He's been accused of fabricating the silencer, writing Julie's WS & coaching Julie on court performance. Maybe he replaced Sheila's nightie which had everyone's blood on.

He was very active considering he wasn't even heading the investigation.

[lookout]

He's been accused of fabricating the silencer, writing Julie's WS & coaching Julie on court performance. Maybe he replaced Sheila's nightie which had everyone's blood on.

He was very active considering he wasn't even heading the investigation.

Maybe the whisky kept him going.

[gringo]

What DNA evidence did EP destroy, a decade later that would have benefitted Bamber ?

The silencer was tested for DNA & found June's.

The bedclothes & carpets were destroyed in 1985. The bodies were not available.

   Off the top of my head, all of the bloodstained pyjamas, bullet casings and ballistic evidence plus  bloodstained carpet and bed sheet samples were destroyed. Whilst it is true that the bedclothes and carpets were destroyed days after the killings, this was after samples were taken. This is well documented. The silencer is the only forensic exhibit not destroyed. There is much more but these alone could establish who committed the killings.
    The blood and DNA of the victims would be all over Sheila's clothes, if she were the killer. Neville's pyjamas could have been tested for DNA to establish who he was struggling with, Jeremy or Sheila?
    It is beyond dispute that these items were destroyed, contrary to court orders and is well documented. DNA testing would have established the truth or otherwise of the prosecution case but EP and Special Branch were apparently keen to prevent this.   

[Adam]

   Off the top of my head, all of the bloodstained pyjamas, bullet casings and ballistic evidence plus  bloodstained carpet and bed sheet samples were destroyed. Whilst it is true that the bedclothes and carpets were destroyed days after the killings, this was after samples were taken. This is well documented. The silencer is the only forensic exhibit not destroyed. There is much more but these alone could establish who committed the killings.
    The blood and DNA of the victims would be all over Sheila's clothes, if she were the killer. Neville's pyjamas could have been tested for DNA to establish who he was struggling with, Jeremy or Sheila?
    It is beyond dispute that these items were destroyed, contrary to court orders and is well documented. DNA testing would have established the truth or otherwise of the prosecution case but EP and Special Branch were apparently keen to prevent this.

The police have been criticised for disposing of carpets and bed clothes days after the massacre. Now they apparently took samples of the carpets. But disposed of them 10 years later to prevent DNA testing.

I don't know why the police would keep pyjama's and nighties for 10 years. They may have disposed of them days later, upon Taff's instructions. If not then certainly after the 1986 conviction. No one knew DNA was coming.

Disposing of such items & letting the silencee be tested just makes the police look stupid.

[Adam]

The silencer was DNA tested. Upon Bamber's request. June's DNA was in the silencer. Supporters have this week said the silencer was contaminated.

This is similar to the Hanratty case. Supporters demanded DNA testing decades later. When these tests showed Hanratty was guilty, supporters claimed contamination.

Not sure Bamber or Hanratty's supporters would have claimed contamination if the results benefitted them.

You've got to love the tactics.

[gringo]

The police have been criticised for disposing of carpets and bed clothes days after the massacre. Now they apparently took samples of the carpets. But disposed of them 10 years later to prevent DNA testing.

I don't know why the police would keep pyjama's and nighties for 10 years. They may have disposed of them days later, upon Taff's instructions. If not then certainly after the 1986 conviction. No one knew DNA was coming.

Disposing of such items & letting the silencee be tested just makes the police look stupid.

   It isn't disputed that EP took samples. Pyjamas and nightdress were destroyed in 1996. Why do you imagine they would have been destroyed in 1986?
    It is not seriously in dispute that this evidence was destroyed in 1996. DS Whiddon and Soames of Special Branch overseeing it all.

[Adam]

   It isn't disputed that EP took samples. Pyjamas and nightdress were destroyed in 1996. Why do you imagine they would have been destroyed in 1986?
    It is not seriously in dispute that this evidence was destroyed in 1996. DS Whiddon and Soames of Special Branch overseeing it all.

I imagine because the trial was over in 1986.

But if it's police protocol to keep remaining items for 10 years, that's what they did. Then disposed of them.

They had not assisted Bamber in 1986 or beyond, so why keep them ? DNA was hardly known about then & confused jurors in the OJ Simpson case.