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Re: DNA Testing In the 80's
« Reply #15 on: April 04, 2017, 10:46:AM »
It was obviously no accident that special branch destroyed vital DNA exhibits when this case has always been under appeal
   It most certainly wasn't an accident, Jackie. The destruction was done after court orders were obtained ordering disclosure of certain items.
    The destruction is also something that the Appeal Court demanded an explanation for. It cannot possibly be seen in any other light than the deliberate  suppression of evidence.
    To be clear EP were ordered by judicial review to disclose evidence. They partially complied and then for some reason Special Branch were called in and the remaining evidence was kept or destroyed. The fact that Special Branch were involved is unusual. The remit of SB is responsibility for "national security and intelligence gathering".
    "National security" is generally a euphemism for protecting the dirty secrets of the state, so I think it can be safely assumed that Special Branch were following their remit.
    There is no good reason why EP would destroy all forensic evidence, there is no good reason why Special Branch should be involved and it takes wilful blindness to pass this off as some sort of innocent mistake.
     It should be obvious to anyone even half paying attention that the forensic evidence was destroyed because EP had something to hide. JB wanted full disclosure, the court ordered full disclosure but EP destroyed the evidence.
    If the right person was convicted, why would EP have anything to hide?

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Re: DNA Testing In the 80's
« Reply #16 on: April 04, 2017, 10:54:AM »
 My sentiments too and if everyone else was fair-minded,they'd agree as well.

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Re: DNA Testing In the 80's
« Reply #17 on: April 04, 2017, 11:10:AM »
My sentiments too and if everyone else was fair-minded,they'd agree as well.
  It is self evident that EP must have known that the advancement of forensic science generally and DNA techniques, specifically, would destroy their case if items were disclosed. They would not defy court orders without reason.

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Re: DNA Testing In the 80's
« Reply #18 on: April 04, 2017, 11:19:AM »
  It is self evident that EP must have known that the advancement of forensic science generally and DNA techniques, specifically, would destroy their case if items were disclosed. They would not defy court orders without reason.

What DNA evidence did EP destroy, a decade later that would have benefitted Bamber ?

The silencer was tested for DNA & found June's.

The bedclothes & carpets were destroyed in 1985. The bodies were not available.
« Last Edit: April 04, 2017, 11:41:AM by Adam »
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Re: DNA Testing In the 80's
« Reply #19 on: April 04, 2017, 11:36:AM »
  It is self evident that EP must have known that the advancement of forensic science generally and DNA techniques, specifically, would destroy their case if items were disclosed. They would not defy court orders without reason.





If there'd been anything that could have pointed towards JB,it would never have been destroyed. Or for sure,if he'd been the killer,then it definitely wouldn't. We all know that this happens when a person is innocent.
This was all about the jiggery-pokery which went on with EP&co.!!
EP lived in the dark-ages back then and didn't see further than the ends of their noses as regards any forthcoming future skills in forensic science. Bumpkins !

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« Reply #20 on: April 04, 2017, 11:41:AM »




If there'd been anything that could have pointed towards JB,it would never have been destroyed. Or for sure,if he'd been the killer,then it definitely wouldn't. We all know that this happens when a person is innocent.
This was all about the jiggery-pokery which went on with EP&co.!!
EP lived in the dark-ages back then and didn't see further than the ends of their noses as regards any forthcoming future skills in forensic science. Bumpkins !


What DNA evidence did EP destroy, a decade later that would have benefitted Bamber ?

The silencer was tested for DNA & found June's.

The bedclothes & carpets were destroyed in 1985. The bodies were not available.
'Only I know what really happened that night'.

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Re: DNA Testing In the 80's
« Reply #21 on: April 04, 2017, 11:53:AM »

What DNA evidence did EP destroy, a decade later that would have benefitted Bamber ?

The silencer was tested for DNA & found June's.

The bedclothes & carpets were destroyed in 1985. The bodies were not available.






The DNA of those who were murdered and the murderer herself,were destroyed. Carpets,sheets,etc,in the garden and clothing,paperwork destroyed in an incinerator. Lord knows what else !!
DNA on the silencer had been a mixture-------therefore contaminated.

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Re: DNA Testing In the 80's
« Reply #22 on: April 04, 2017, 11:56:AM »





The DNA of those who were murdered and the murderer herself,were destroyed. Carpets,sheets,etc,in the garden and clothing,paperwork destroyed in an incinerator. Lord knows what else !!
DNA on the silencer had been a mixture-------therefore contaminated.

Jeremy destroyed quit a few things in the farm fire pit. It is a sad case that items were destroyed but they may not have worked in Bambers favour.
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« Reply #23 on: April 04, 2017, 11:57:AM »





The DNA of those who were murdered and the murderer herself,were destroyed. Carpets,sheets,etc,in the garden and clothing,paperwork destroyed in an incinerator. Lord knows what else !!
DNA on the silencer had been a mixture-------therefore contaminated.

That was all destroyed in 1985.

What was destroyed in 1996 to stop DNA testing ?
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« Reply #24 on: April 04, 2017, 12:05:PM »
That was all destroyed in 1985.

What was destroyed in 1996 to stop DNA testing ?





You tell me !

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Re: DNA Testing In the 80's
« Reply #25 on: April 04, 2017, 12:10:PM »




You tell me !

Supporters are claiming that the items were crucial so what were they? I'll start you off.

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Re: DNA Testing In the 80's
« Reply #26 on: April 04, 2017, 12:12:PM »




You tell me !

I don't need to

So nothing then.

So why are supporters claiming the police destroyed evidence to stop DNA testing ?
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« Reply #27 on: April 04, 2017, 12:20:PM »
Supporters are claiming that the items were crucial so what were they? I'll start you off.

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How would DNA testing on the nightdress benefit Bamber ?

Is there evidence the police kept this for 10 years. Then destroyed it just before DNA testing ? Don't see why they would as they were not aware of the huge advancements in technology that would occur.

They destroyed carpets & bedsheets within days on the massacre.
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« Reply #28 on: April 04, 2017, 12:25:PM »
I don't need to

So nothing then.

So why are supporters claiming the police destroyed evidence to stop DNA testing ?





My own thoughts about what had been destroyed are more to do with finding out how crooked EP were.

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Re: DNA Testing In the 80's
« Reply #29 on: April 04, 2017, 12:34:PM »




My own thoughts about what had been destroyed are more to do with finding out how crooked EP were.

So there was no remaining evidence which could be DNA tested that would have benefitted Bamber.

However the police still destroyed this invisible evidence.

Except the silencer of course. Which was tested.
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