DNA Testing In the 80's

[JackiePreece]

DNA testing in the 80's


When did DNA testing began?
In 1986 was when DNA was first used in a criminal investigation by Dr.Jeffreys. 1986. The investigation used genetic fingerprinting in a case of two rapes and murders that had happened in 1983 and 1986. These crimes happened in a small town called Leicestershire, which is located in the United Kingdom.23 Feb 2015


In 1996, Essex Police Special Branch illegally destroyed all DNA exhibits (apart from the sound moderator) despite a judicial review ruling in favour of Bamber which ordered the Home Office to disclose the materials. No one has ever been called to account for this. Other police reports show that many pieces of evidence supposedly destroyed still existed after the date of their ‘destruction.’

[Caroline]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-36168459

[Roch]

I read about this case.  He would no doubt have gone on to become a 'serial killer'.  It seems that he brought about his own downfall by having focused his crimes upon small rural communities which were familiar to him.  This made him vulnerable to being flushed out - when the police decided to pressure all local males to undertake tests.

[Caroline]

I read about this case.  He would no doubt have gone on to become a 'serial killer'.  It seems that he brought about his own downfall by having focused his crimes upon small rural communities which were familiar to him.  This made him vulnerable to being flushed out - when the police decided to pressure all local males to undertake tests.

Yes, he stupidly asked someone to do the test for him and that's how he was caught.

[Roch]

Yes, he stupidly asked someone to do the test for him and that's how he was caught.

Yeah and the lad was too thick or naive to cotton on - so he agreed.  If Pitchfork had operated in a city, for example Leicester - the police would not have been able to go down the blood tests route.  He would have gone on to kill more young women before DNA or some other circumstance ended his spree.  He was a monster.

[Caroline]

Yeah and the lad was too thick or naive to cotton on - so he agreed.  If Pitchfork had operated in a city, for example Leicester - the police would not have been able to go down the blood tests route.  He would have gone on to kill more young women before DNA or some other circumstance ended his spree.  He was a monster.

I suspect he still is - good thing his parole was rejected!

[lookout]

I have to ask myself,what's he doing in an open prison ??

[Roch]

I have to ask myself,what's he doing in an open prison ??

It's only a recommendation, based upon his 'exceptional progress'.  If true then it sounds like he has completed work around his offending and rehabilitation etc. I suppose you could argue that that is officially one of the main purposes of prison.

[JackiePreece]

DNA testing in the 80's


When did DNA testing began?
In 1986 was when DNA was first used in a criminal investigation by Dr.Jeffreys. 1986. The investigation used genetic fingerprinting in a case of two rapes and murders that had happened in 1983 and 1986. These crimes happened in a small town called Leicestershire, which is located in the United Kingdom.23 Feb 2015


In 1996, Essex Police Special Branch illegally destroyed all DNA exhibits (apart from the sound moderator) despite a judicial review ruling in favour of Bamber which ordered the Home Office to disclose the materials. No one has ever been called to account for this. Other police reports show that many pieces of evidence supposedly destroyed still existed after the date of their ‘destruction.’

It was obviously no accident that special branch destroyed vital DNA exhibits when this case has always been under appeal

[Caroline]

It was obviously no accident that special branch destroyed vital DNA exhibits when this case has always been under appeal

I see, so they had the ability to see into the future? 

[Adam]

I thought they tested the silencer for DNA ?

What else could they test for DNA ? The carpets and bed clothes were destroyed days after the massacre. The bodies are no longer available.

[Steve_uk]

I thought they tested the silencer for DNA ?

What else could they test for DNA ? The carpets and bed clothes were destroyed days after the massacre. The bodies are no longer available.

Yes June's DNA was found in the silencer, possibly deposited when Jeremy shot her last between the eyes, vowing never to glimpse her again.

[David1819]

Yes June's DNA was found in the silencer, possibly deposited when Jeremy shot her last between the eyes, vowing never to glimpse her again.

Junes DNA got there by contamination. There were no contact wounds to June. There were however two contact wounds to Nicholas Caffell. However no biological material of Nicholas Caffell was ever found inside.

Why? 

[Steve_uk]

Junes DNA got there by contamination. There were no contact wounds to June. There were however two contact wounds to Nicholas Caffell. However no biological material of Nicholas Caffell was ever found inside.

Why? 

The boys were found in their beds in their own room (formerly Sheila's room). They appeared to have been shot while in bed. The court heard that Daniel had been shot five times in the back of the head, four times with the gun held within one foot of his head, and once from over two feet away. Nicholas had been shot three times, all contact or close-proximity shots.

What was that phenomenon you were quoting earlier today of bombarding people with facts pertaining to be true and hope no-one would notice..

[Adam]

43. " Mrs Bamber was bare footed and dressed in a nightdress. She had received seven gunshot wounds, of which one to her forehead and one to the right side of the head would have caused death very quickly. She also suffered shots to the right side of the lower part of her neck, the right forearm, two injuries to the right side of the chest and to the right knee. There was a great deal of blood on her body and clothing and from its pattern, it appeared that at some stage of the attack she had been in an upright position".


This does not say whether any shots were or were not contact shots. However 7 shots surely some were contact shots. Bamber had the option of getting close to June as she was asleep in bed and then no threat on the floor.