Guardian - 24th March 2017

[mike tesko]

Peter Eaton does not tell Stan Jones when he came to collect the silencer on evening of 12th August 1985, that his brother in law, David Boutflour, has tampered with the silencer, by trying to unscrew its end cap off, or that David had used an old razor blade to scrape a piece of dried blood flake from it!!!

[mike tesko]

Peter Eaton does not tell Stan Jones when he came to collect the silencer on evening of 12th August 1985, that his brother in law, David Boutflour, has tampered with the silencer, by trying to unscrew its end cap off, or that David had used an old razor blade to scrape a piece of dried blood flake from it!!!

In fact, before he leaves in possession of the all important silencer and grey hair, Stan Jones and Peter Eaton share a bottle of whisky!

[mike tesko]

In fact, before he leaves in possession of the all important silencer and grey hair, Stan Jones and Peter Eaton share a bottle of whisky!

Stan Jones didn't get done for drink driving because I suppose he would have got away with it if stopped by claiming that he wasn't drinking whilst he was driving, he had drunk the whiskey before he started driving away from the Eaton residence, clutching the silencer with its hair attached, but no flake!

[mike tesko]

I suppose that the offering of the whisky by Peter Eaton, and the acceptance of it by Stan Jones, was a forerunner of what was to follow!

The relatives had a hold over Stan Jones, in more ways than one!

[mike tesko]

I suppose that the offering of the whisky by Peter Eaton, and the acceptance of it by Stan Jones, was a forerunner of what was to follow!

The relatives had a hold over Stan Jones, in more ways than one!

He was one of the officers who had told Ann Eaton and the others, that the bodies of June Bamber and Sheila were found on the bed with a rifle laying between them, and a Bible on top of Sheila's chest!

And by evening of 12th August 1985, Stan Jones was sharing a bottle of whiskey with Peter Eaton, in Ann Eaton's living room!!

[mike tesko]

What we also find, is that at least one of the daily tabloids ran the story about the bodies of Sheila and June being found on the bed, with the rifle between them, and a Bible on Sheila's chest!!

[mike tesko]

What we also find, is that at least one of the daily tabloids ran the story about the bodies of Sheila and June being found on the bed, with the rifle between them, and a Bible on Sheila's chest!!

That story was published after one of the relatives gave a reporter confidential police information given to them on the first morning of the police investigation! Ann Eaton was the original source of that information cops had told her!

[Steve_uk]

Only just seen this Steve,very heartbreaking indeed.
I did read a day or two ago of the amount of suicides in Australia involving teens/young men and it's almost like an epidemic.

First of all,are their expectations too high ? To do well at school,be fiercely competetive at sports,look their best,and worse,looking for perfection.
I would NEVER push children, for as long as they can read and write,it's good enough for me.
Having been to Australia on many an occasion,I'll say one thing which I noticed that a lot of parents even at infant school,seemed to be " pushing " their children the minute that school was over with " dance classes/ballet/choir/swimming/the gym/piano lessons/private tutor,etc etc " and I could see the child being reluctantly dragged to one of these straight after school, sessions.
The parents seemed overly protective/stifling, fussing and faffing,pandering to their needs.
My thoughts at the time,and now were let children be children and stop molding them into something that they will probably rebel about in later life.
Guide them and advise them,but NEVER expect the impossible from them.Life isn't about " keeping up " ,you'll get more out of a child if you don't have aspirations for them. Don't kill them with kindness !!

Some children aren't prepared for tough times in life,and after having had things easy in the formative years, they find it difficult to face facts if either the parents split or lose a job or pass away, and I think that a subject such as this should be part of the curriculum to prepare a child for such an eventuality to enable them to cope. A " talking " lesson would help a child deal with their situation,perhaps with a psychologist in attendance as well as others in similar situations. It's all about facing-up to grievances etc. and being able to trust those around you.

Suicide itself isn't a mental illness. It's about not being able to cope with stress. Some people are more prone than others,so it depends on your ability to cope under pressure and stress which is really down to your genetic make-up,though it may affect in other ways ( physically ) apart from mentally.

Thank you lookout. I agree that there's information withheld in that case such as the role of both parents and the parting with his girlfriend.

Another heartbreaking case today and one wonders about the circumstances of these two youths. http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/national/mum-pays-tribute-to-precious-17-year-old-son-found-dead-at-bottom-of-cliff-alongside-his-best-friend/ar-BByP8kb?li=AAmiR2Z&ocid=spartanntp

[lookout]

Thank you lookout. I agree that there's information withheld in that case such as the role of both parents and the parting with his girlfriend.

Another heartbreaking case today and one wonders about the circumstances of these two youths. http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/national/mum-pays-tribute-to-precious-17-year-old-son-found-dead-at-bottom-of-cliff-alongside-his-best-friend/ar-BByP8kb?li=AAmiR2Z&ocid=spartanntp

Yes,another sad case where I have to ask myself was it REALLY their intention to do this. Teenagers are very vulnerable,especially boys who feel that they have to appear " macho " in the company of girls and/or their peers. I think far too much is expected of children and teens that there are bound to be problems.
I watched a programme not long ago about children who have to look after a sick/disabled parent. It was heartbreaking. The child/teen did everything in the house,cleaning,cooking,washing, shopping and seeing to the parent. These children don't complain and attend school as normal after seeing to the parent,then they have the same when they return home.
This has got to be a test in itself,for the child's strength of mind and body and for the sheer devotion to that parent. These are the heroes and heroines of society who put others first without a second thought of how they feel themselves. Do you see what I'm getting at ?

I don't know what,if anything had gone on in the lives of the two 17 year olds,so I can't remark on any given reason,but it's another two too many.
There are lots of things that can get people down,but sadly if it can't be spoken about it can become a recipe for disaster.

[Jane]

Yes,another sad case where I have to ask myself was it REALLY their intention to do this. Teenagers are very vulnerable,especially boys who feel that they have to appear " macho " in the company of girls and/or their peers. I think far too much is expected of children and teens that there are bound to be problems.
I watched a programme not long ago about children who have to look after a sick/disabled parent. It was heartbreaking. The child/teen did everything in the house,cleaning,cooking,washing, shopping and seeing to the parent. These children don't complain and attend school as normal after seeing to the parent,then they have the same when they return home.
This has got to be a test in itself,for the child's strength of mind and body and for the sheer devotion to that parent. These are the heroes and heroines of society who put others first without a second thought of how they feel themselves. Do you see what I'm getting at ?

I don't know what,if anything had gone on in the lives of the two 17 year olds,so I can't remark on any given reason,but it's another two too many.
There are lots of things that can get people down,but sadly if it can't be spoken about it can become a recipe for disaster.

There seems to be sadness here today. I'm conscious that it's Mothers' Day and that it can bring up feelings for us,. Some mixed.

I, too have watched programmes about child carers. These children take for granted what they do. It's part of their lives. I believe these children are undervalued, overlooked, and lose much of their childhood. It also occurs to me -and PLEASE don't jump on me for saying this- that there is more than one way of grooming children. Children are JUST as groomed to become carers for infirm/elderly parents as they are to become sexual playthings. In both cases they become bent to someone else's will. In both cases they can believe it to be the norm.

[mike tesko]

That story was published after one of the relatives gave a reporter confidential police information given to them on the first morning of the police investigation! Ann Eaton was the original source of that information cops had told her!

I believe Stan Jones and Mick Clark got their knuckles rapped for telling Ann Eaton of the whereabouts of June's and Sheila's body being on the bed with the rifle on the bed between them both, and a bible on Sheila's chest, a true account of the body locations at the time Jones and Clark had visited the main bedroom, prior to leaving the scene to go with Jeremy to his cottage at Head Street to take his witness statement! They (Jones and Clark) were not to know that after they had left the scene that the bodies of June and Sheila had been moved from the bed onto the floor either side of the bed! It was this glaring error on the part of Jones and Clark by divulging sensitive police information at such a vital stage of the investigation to Ann Eaton regarding where Sheila's and Junes bodies had been earlier, before Senior Officers gave the green light for the bodies to be staged, with the rifle in Sheila's possession on the floor! When PC David Bird started to take photographs of Sheila's body on the bedroom floor he was not to know that before he himself first saw the carnage inside the main bedroom, that Jones and Clark had already seen the two bodies of the women laid on top of the bed, with the rifle between both, and a bible on Sheila's chest!

[mike tesko]

I believe Stan Jones and Mick Clark got their knuckles rapped for telling Ann Eaton of the whereabouts of June's and Sheila's body being on the bed with the rifle on the bed between them both, and a bible on Sheila's chest, a true account of the body locations at the time Jones and Clark had visited the main bedroom, prior to leaving the scene to go with Jeremy to his cottage at Head Street to take his witness statement! They (Jones and Clark) were not to know that after they had left the scene that the bodies of June and Sheila had been moved from the bed onto the floor either side of the bed! It was this glaring error on the part of Jones and Clark by divulging sensitive police information at such a vital stage of the investigation to Ann Eaton regarding where Sheila's and Junes bodies had been earlier, before Senior Officers gave the green light for the bodies to be staged, with the rifle in Sheila's possession on the floor! When PC David Bird started to take photographs of Sheila's body on the bedroom floor he was not to know that before he himself first saw the carnage inside the main bedroom, that Jones and Clark had already seen the two bodies of the women laid on top of the bed, with the rifle between both, and a bible on Sheila's chest!

These exchanges of sensitive information between Jones and Clark at the beginning of the investigation, to Ann Eaton regarding the fact that the bodies of both June and Sheila were on top of the bed, with the rifle laying on the bed between both of them, and a bible on her chest,  were the defining argument on the relatives side when it came down to cops arresting Jeremy and prosecuting him as the killer, irrespective of his guilt or innocence in the matter!

As such the relatives had got Essex Police by the short and curlies!!

[mike tesko]

What Essex Police had, which was never made known to Ann Eaton and the other relatives, was that photographs had been taken showing Sheila Caffell on the bed with her mother June, and subsequently upon the bed alone! It follows therefore, that Cops removed June's body from the bed and positioned it against the bedroom door before taking two photographs of Sheila upon the bed at a time she was only sporting one bullet wound to her neck!

[maggie]

Yes,another sad case where I have to ask myself was it REALLY their intention to do this. Teenagers are very vulnerable,especially boys who feel that they have to appear " macho " in the company of girls and/or their peers. I think far too much is expected of children and teens that there are bound to be problems.
I watched a programme not long ago about children who have to look after a sick/disabled parent. It was heartbreaking. The child/teen did everything in the house,cleaning,cooking,washing, shopping and seeing to the parent. These children don't complain and attend school as normal after seeing to the parent,then they have the same when they return home.
This has got to be a test in itself,for the child's strength of mind and body and for the sheer devotion to that parent. These are the heroes and heroines of society who put others first without a second thought of how they feel themselves. Do you see what I'm getting at ?

I don't know what,if anything had gone on in the lives of the two 17 year olds,so I can't remark on any given reason,but it's another two too many.
There are lots of things that can get people down,but sadly if it can't be spoken about it can become a recipe for disaster.

Hi Lookout I agree, I have always wondered about these poor kids who end up looking after a sick or disabled parent.  How does this happen? 

If a sick or disabled person doesn't  have a child at all or has a child who can't or won't do these things what happens then?  Surely social services should provide the care?  Anything else is child abuse imo.

I sincerely hope that I would never expect my child to be a carer for me.  It is totally unacceptable imo that in a country as rich as this,  these things happen.

[maggie]

There seems to be sadness here today. I'm conscious that it's Mothers' Day and that it can bring up feelings for us,. Some mixed.

I, too have watched programmes about child carers. These children take for granted what they do. It's part of their lives. I believe these children are undervalued, overlooked, and lose much of their childhood. It also occurs to me -and PLEASE don't jump on me for saying this- that there is more than one way of grooming children. Children are JUST as groomed to become carers for infirm/elderly parents as they are to become sexual playthings. In both cases they become bent to someone else's will. In both cases they can believe it to be the norm.

Exactly Jane.