No One Would Stage A Two Shot Suicide And Then Pass A Polygraph? Would They?

[Jane]

Was he an expert in ballistics? Maybe he wanted to be sure she was dead. Would Sheila have died with just the one bullet or did Bamber feel anxious that she might live? Both men used the mental frailties of the women as subterfuge for suicide and both killed for money. Why did Sandra continue to live in the same house as a man who had tried to kill her with an axe? They do say truth is stranger than fiction.  https://youtu.be/3u_wiEyfdF0

Steve, Sheila's first wound was mortal ie it would have BEEN fatal but not instantly so. However, it's highly unlikely that Jeremy would have known that and he couldn't have risked taking a chance. I've had a conversation with Notsure about why women stay in abusive relationships. In most cases these are women whose spirits have been crushed. They have little -no- sense of self worth, and have become dependent on the abuser. Fear -probably there from abusive childhood relationships- physical, mental and emotional paralyzes.

[David1819]

People can be mistaken - however, the blood spatter on his clothes and the gap on the sheet prove his was in the room when she shot.

How come circumstantial evidence weighs higher to you for this guy (although all the forensics are stacked against him) but for Bamber you argue the opposite?

Tim's testimony is direct evidence not circumstantial.

In direct evidence, a witness relates what he or she directly experienced. (Usually the experience is by sight or hearing, though it may come through any sense, including [smell,] touch or pain. State v Famber, 358 Mo 288, 214 SW2d 40.

Hearing his father leave the living room then through the kitchen into the hallway to the bedroom and opening the bedroom door. Shortly after the shots were fired. Is rather exculpatory if you ask me. 

[Caroline]

Tim's testimony is direct evidence not circumstantial.

In direct evidence, a witness relates what he or she directly experienced. (Usually the experience is by sight or hearing, though it may come through any sense, including [smell,] touch or pain. State v Famber, 358 Mo 288, 214 SW2d 40.

Hearing his father leave the living room then through the kitchen into the hallway to the bedroom and opening the bedroom door. Shortly after the shots were fired. Is rather exculpatory if you ask me. 

Eyewitness's are notoriously unreliable, however, you are ignoring the fact that Duyst have high velocity blood spatter on his shirt and there was a gap on the sheet that showed someone was in between the victim and the blood as it left the body. There is also the letter - who's going to frame their husband in such a manner that would leave her children basically alone?

[David1819]

Eyewitness's are notoriously unreliable, however, you are ignoring the fact that Duyst have high velocity blood spatter on his shirt and there was a gap on the sheet that showed someone was in between the victim and the blood as it left the body.

Speckin and David Townshend (who was consulted as a ballistics expert), conducted an experiment in which they shot an anesthetized, terminally ill sheep with the same type of gun and bullets that were involved in Mrs. Duyst's death. The experiment resulted in no high velocity impact blood spatter on the shooter's hands or clothing.

The void pattern could simply be because of the gun regardless of who is holding it.

There is also the letter - who's going to frame their husband in such a manner that would leave her children basically alone?

Someone too depressed and vindictive against her husband to contemplate the consequences.

[Steve_uk]

Speckin and David Townshend (who was consulted as a ballistics expert), conducted an experiment in which they shot an anesthetized, terminally ill sheep with the same type of gun and bullets that were involved in Mrs. Duyst's death. The experiment resulted in no high velocity impact blood spatter on the shooter's hands or clothing.

The void pattern could simply be because of the gun regardless of who is holding it.

Someone too depressed and vindictive against her husband to contemplate the consequences.

  Dr. Cohle testified that he discovered two bullet entry wounds and two exit wounds.  He was able to conclude based upon the characteristics of the entry wounds that both were made by the gun being in loose contact with the scalp.  Dr. Cohle determined that the first bullet wound would have rendered Sandra unconscious, and, although heartbeat and respiration may have continued for a bit, she was essentially dead.  She would have been completely incapacitated and incapable of any voluntary movement.  Dr. Cohle testified that after sustaining the first gunshot wound, Sandra would have been incapable of pulling the trigger a second time.  Dr. Cohle concluded that the manner of Sandra’s death was homicide.

[Caroline]

Speckin and David Townshend (who was consulted as a ballistics expert), conducted an experiment in which they shot an anesthetized, terminally ill sheep with the same type of gun and bullets that were involved in Mrs. Duyst's death. The experiment resulted in no high velocity impact blood spatter on the shooter's hands or clothing.

The void pattern could simply be because of the gun regardless of who is holding it.

Someone too depressed and vindictive against her husband to contemplate the consequences.

High velocity blood spatter was on the gun, so WOULD have been on the hands of the shooter, there was no GSR or blood spatter on the hands of Sandra. As previously stated, there was also a clear pattern of someone being in the way of the blood spatter formation on the sheet.