Why didn't Nevill leave WHF's front door ajar for Bamber & co ?

[lookout]

That's a good point. For guilters.

If Taff was able to give the relatives evidence of Sheila's guilt, why did the relatives continue their pursuit by going to Peter Simpson ?

Because " Taff " was having none of it and chased them out of his office. They DIDN'T want to hear that Sheila had been guilty.
What evidence did the relatives " find " in which to have Jeremy convicted ??
Come to think,what did EP have to convict him ??

[Adam]

Because " Taff " was having none of it and chased them out of his office. They DIDN'T want to hear that Sheila had been guilty.
What evidence did the relatives " find " in which to have Jeremy convicted ??
Come to think,what did EP have to convict him ??

There is a thread on this. As it's an important issue.

But thanks for you're view that the relatives 'didn't want to hear' evidence Taff had that Sheila was guilty.

[Jane]

Sorry only just catching up on this thread. Jane that is a very sad statement to make, that in my mind proves the family were going to do everything they could to stitch jb up and were unlawful in doing so. In fact it was them that were worried they would lose everything that Neville had worked his guts out for.

your take on getting justice in your eyes goes against everything we fight for in this country. An open and honest justice system.

OK, Notsure, so you're saying it's of no moment that Jeremy was guilty. It's of no moment that the guilty -whoever they are- walk free. All that matters is that those whose job it is to get them to court are seen to stay withing lawful parameters? I'm perfectly capable of believing that as I've had no crime committed against me -or anyone I hold dear- but if I had, I'm not certain that I'd be too concerned about the methods used to bring the criminal to justice. However, I would need to be in that position to tell you, more clearly, how I'd feel.

[Caroline]

In an ordinary situation perhaps.  However...

Jeremy is a victim of the relatives.  The relatives are not a victim of Jeremy Bamber.

Only if you believe he is innocent.

[Roch]

Only if you believe he is innocent.

Whether he is a victim of the relatives doesn't hinge on my belief.

[notsure]

OK, Notsure, so you're saying it's of no moment that Jeremy was guilty. It's of no moment that the guilty -whoever they are- walk free. All that matters is that those whose job it is to get them to court are seen to stay withing lawful parameters? I'm perfectly capable of believing that as I've had no crime committed against me -or anyone I hold dear- but if I had, I'm not certain that I'd be too concerned about the methods used to bring the criminal to justice. However, I would need to be in that position to tell you, more clearly, how I'd feel.

no Jane I'm not saying that at all. Of course it's of consequence if he's guilty and be sure I would have told the police what my thoughts were on the situation but I would never have used unlawful methods to get him convicted.

[Caroline]

Whether he is a victim of the relatives doesn't hinge on my belief.

No, it hinges on whether he is innocent or not. However, your belief that he is a victim, does hinge on your belief that he is innocent.

[Jane]

no Jane I'm not saying that at all. Of course it's of consequence if he's guilty and be sure I would have told the police what my thoughts were on the situation but I would never have used unlawful methods to get him convicted.

So what would you have done, Notsure? Remember exactly what you believe he's done. Remember that he's killed your beloved aunt and uncle, your cousin -OK you never had much time for her, but those little boys!!!!!!!? Would you have been prepared to shrug your shoulders and said c'est la vie, if he'd walked free? I wonder what would be worse. Trying to rebuild another life for yourself and your family well away from what you'd always known -a relationship with him in future would be IMPOSSIBLE- based on resentment that he'd stolen not just your livelihood but that of your children, OR suffer the odd twinge of guilt at the odd time that a small voice inside you head said "Suppose he was innocent".

[Roch]

So what would you have done, Notsure? Remember exactly what you believe he's done. Remember that he's killed your beloved aunt and uncle, your cousin -OK you never had much time for her, but those little boys!!!!!!!? Would you have been prepared to shrug your shoulders and said c'est la vie, if he'd walked free? I wonder what would be worse. Trying to rebuild another life for yourself and your family well away from what you'd always known -a relationship with him in future would be IMPOSSIBLE- based on resentment that he'd stolen not just your livelihood but that of your children, OR suffer the odd twinge of guilt at the odd time that a small voice inside you head said "Suppose he was innocent".

So because you believe something... and you're too arrogant to question the validity of your own beliefs... and you're worried about your financial livelihood... that makes it OK to fit somebody up?

[Adam]

It is an interesting question as to why Nevill did not escape himself or open the doors. One possibility is that Nevill made his calls for help before he realised how serious the situation was and then after seeing or hearing Sheila firing the rifle he realised that Jeremy would be in danger if he entered the farmhouse. So maybe Nevill locked the doors to protect Jeremy.

I don't believe Nevill would try to escape from Sheila. It would leave a sleeping June and the twins at the mercy of Sheila. He had rang Bamber & the police 16 minutes later so was going to wait for them.

Nevill went downstairs to arm himself or to escape. He was also being shot at by Bamber upstairs. So it was a natural reaction to go downstairs. He never reached the front door if that is what he was aiming for.

[Adam]

It is an interesting question as to why Nevill did not escape himself or open the doors. One possibility is that Nevill made his calls for help before he realised how serious the situation was and then after seeing or hearing Sheila firing the rifle he realised that Jeremy would be in danger if he entered the farmhouse. So maybe Nevill locked the doors to protect Jeremy.

I also don't believe Nevill left the front door ajar, then shut it again after realising how dangerous the situation was.

He had told Bamber on the phone Sheila had 'gone crazy and got the gun'. Things couldn't get any more serious.

Nevill had also phoned Chelmsford police. Who he would assume would be able to restrain Sheila. So no point in leaving the front door bolted.

[Jane]

So because you believe something... and you're too arrogant to question the validity of your own beliefs... and you're worried about your financial livelihood... that makes it OK to fit somebody up?

No. I'm saying we need to walk a mile in someone else's shoes before we know what it feels like to be them and be in their situation.

[lookout]

No. I'm saying we need to walk a mile in someone else's shoes before we know what it feels like to be them and be in their situation.

" Look to yourself " is what June had told AE after telling tales about Sheila's " odd behaviour " !!

[Roch]

No. I'm saying we need to walk a mile in someone else's shoes before we know what it feels like to be them and be in their situation.

Still doesn't excuse their actions and behaviour.  They don't want to know the truth.  They've had their lives now and had their wealth and prosperity and success etc.  That's the card they played.  It wouldn't matter if Bamber dies in prison, these people will go to their graves with tainted reputations. That's the price they are willing to pay for the 31 years of prosperity they gained by burning Jeremy's life.  There is always a trade-off.   

[Jane]

" Look to yourself " is what June had told AE after telling tales about Sheila's " odd behaviour " !!

With a father as judgemental and as demanding of obedience as was RWB, AE's attitude to Sheila -her style and 'idiosyncrasies' is hardly surprising.